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Beatmatching Question
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| DeepSix |
I am getting a lot better at beatmatching, but I still have trouble with the last few tenths of a degree of pitch adjustment. I can get them close within 20 - 30 seconds, but have a hard time getting them PERFECT.
I have found an easy way to get them matched is to play them both in my headphones. When I hear them drifting, I speed one up or down. Depending on how I had to adjust to line them up again, I then adjust the pitch.
This lets me get a great beat match. Is there a problem with this approach? Am I cheating? Any reason why I couldn't do this at an upcoming smal gig in front of some friends? Is this harder to do in a loud environment?
I know that ideally I would be able to mix them perfectly with one track in one ear and another track in the other, but I am not quite to that point yet, I still need some ear development, and I am still practicing towards that goal. |
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| Tenshi |
why would it be cheating? i also mix with the 2 tracks at the same time in the headphones! its easier especially in not-so-loud environment!
even hernan cattaneo and other famous and respected djs mix this way! :) |
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| djxtension |
| quote: | Originally posted by DeepSix
I am getting a lot better at beatmatching, but I still have trouble with the last few tenths of a degree of pitch adjustment. I can get them close within 20 - 30 seconds, but have a hard time getting them PERFECT.
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Nothing wrong with that.
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I have found an easy way to get them matched is to play them both in my headphones. When I hear them drifting, I speed one up or down. Depending on how I had to adjust to line them up again, I then adjust the pitch.
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Eventually, you'll develop an ear for those things, and you will notice that you'll start making less corrections, and adjust the pitch more quickly...
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This lets me get a great beat match. Is there a problem with this approach? Am I cheating? Any reason why I couldn't do this at an upcoming smal gig in front of some friends? Is this harder to do in a loud environment?
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The only thing you have to be aware of is that the sound in clubs is usually slightly delayed, which can make it a little harder to get your mixes perfect.
Shouldn't be a problem when playing in front of some friends, though.
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I know that ideally I would be able to mix them perfectly with one track in one ear and another track in the other, but I am not quite to that point yet, I still need some ear development, and I am still practicing towards that goal. |
Like you said: you need some ear development. This will come over time, so keep doing it the way you're doing it now. As you progress, you can try out other ways. |
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| Hasneez |
you are cheating.. here's an "f"
on a serious note, you can do it however you feel like doing it... no one from the crowd will come up to the booth and request that you change your cueing method, and no promoter will have a grudge on you for doing that either!! |
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| chubbs |
I beatmatch exactly the way you described as well.
Do it which ever way works for you. |
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| IntegraR0064 |
| It used to be that many club installation mixers did not allow mixing in the headphones, but nowadays it seems that that's not the case anymore so yeah, that should be fine. |
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| Mmanu |
| What you do is called split-cueing, aka listening at both tracks at the same time. It's definitly not cheating at all, so you can get rid of that (stupid:wtf:) feeling. It's recommended though to master properly the one ear-cueing method, in case you land on a mixer that does not offer any multicueing possibilities... |
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| IntegraR0064 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mmanu
What you do is called split-cueing, aka listening at both tracks at the same time. It's definitly not cheating at all, so you can get rid of that (stupid:wtf:) feeling. It's recommended though to master properly the one ear-cueing method, in case you land on a mixer that does not offer any multicueing possibilities... |
Sorry, it's not called split cueing...split cue is when you have a mixer that splits the signal so that the master comes out one ear and the cue comes out the other ear. |
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| aBigWreck |
I've been learning to beatmatch this same way. My mixer doesn't support split cueing, so I have to have both tracks playing simultaneously in my headphones.
I find it incredibly difficult at this point to use headphones in 1 ear and my monitor in the other because my monitors have much better low end output. So I've been either using my monitor exclusively or my headphones. |
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| Existo22 |
LOL Don't fake it.
I would suggest learning to beatmatch with 1 ear listening to whats in the headphones and one ear listening to whats coming from the speakers.
Its harder at the beggining but this is only way you can learn to re-program you brain for beatmatching.
Unless you play somewhere where there are no monitors and there is delay. Then mix with the headphones.
cheers :) |
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| the_gamemaster |
You'll find it loads easier to do it the way you described in a club environment aswell because the live sound will likely be reverbing, distorted and delayed. Both tracks in headphones is the only way I can do it.
Im sure ive seen armin doing it this way too. |
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| Rick Mage |
| quote: | Originally posted by DeepSix
I am getting a lot better at beatmatching, but I still have trouble with the last few tenths of a degree of pitch adjustment. I can get them close within 20 - 30 seconds, but have a hard time getting them PERFECT.
I have found an easy way to get them matched is to play them both in my headphones. When I hear them drifting, I speed one up or down. Depending on how I had to adjust to line them up again, I then adjust the pitch.
This lets me get a great beat match. Is there a problem with this approach? Am I cheating? Any reason why I couldn't do this at an upcoming smal gig in front of some friends? Is this harder to do in a loud environment?
I know that ideally I would be able to mix them perfectly with one track in one ear and another track in the other, but I am not quite to that point yet, I still need some ear development, and I am still practicing towards that goal. |
There's nothing wrong with that. That's how I prefer to mix. But you also want to practice on using the traditional way, too. Cause, sometimes the cue function of a mixer just plain sucks and you can't hear . However, if you also practice using the traditional way, you will be used to it if you have no choice but to scrap the cue functions of the mixer...basically you'll have a back up plan if you practice both ways... |
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