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Steve Angello's Antipiracy Statement (pg. 9)
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| Orko |
DJ's play a variety of music, from a large variety of artists. When you say you want to download the tracks for free, then go and see them live, you are no supporting everybody.
Lets take the PVD example that Porky presented. The problem with your example is that he does not play all his own music. You go out, download a set, or some songs that he plays. Then you go see him live and he gets paid. What about all those artists that helped to make his show a success?
PVD pays for his music (sometimes), and each artist gets paid once from him buying one copy of that record. By paying PVD for his performance, you are not neccessarily supporting each and every artist. What if you downloaded a song, that he didn't even play when you see him live?
DJs and radio are able to and allowed to play the music they bought, because it is supposed to be a promo tool. You go hear it, and go buy it. You do not get to hear it and then keep it.
The majority of artists which make up the scene will never get to tour, because they do not have enough material, nor do they DJ. It is just crazy to expect every artist to also DJ. Some of them do not have the skills, nor the drive to do so. And some just plain do not have the resources, because they put them into producing.
Please stop bringing up Radiohead, Trent Reznor, and Prince. Those guys are massive, with huge followings, and a substantial amount of resources behind them. They can run it as a business. Take a hit on the album, and marketing, but make it back in touring. One thing to remember, the people seeing their show, would probably have seen the show if the new albums was released or not. |
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| Djsketchbag |
| quote: | Originally posted by jon jon
lol Peter, it doesn't matter... bottom line, it's not what the normal dj makes touring and a brutal benchmark for your argument... |
:p I knwo it's not common for a Dj to get paid that much money for one gig. But international djs do get several K per gig ( witch was my original argument ) so my point was that their tracks are a great promotional tool to get people out to see them, so they can continue to get paid good money. Like i really want to see Richard Dinsdale and i have never herd a set from him but i have liek 15 of his tracks and i love every single one. (yeah i'm pissed i missed him last spring at footy *cries*) |
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| jon jon |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
It is just crazy to expect every artist to also DJ |
Agreed. I mean , 9/10 of my favourite producers don't DJ. Two totally different industries.
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
Please stop bringing up Radiohead, Trent Reznor, and Prince. |
haha So agreed. |
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| Jem_hadar |
| quote: | Originally posted by Porky
I think people are changing their perceptions about music, valuing it as a free commodity. If you can listen to radio for free why pay for music?
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WHY? For the right to POSSESS a track and listen to or play it whenever one wants.
If you can listen to it on the radio for free, that’s great and awesome -- but you're at the mercy of the radio to hear it only whenever that particular track gets played.
If you want the option to hear the song at your own beck and call (whenever you'd like), then that's why you should pay for it to have it in your music collection (to either listen to casually, or to play professionally).
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| Jem_hadar |
| quote: | Originally posted by Djsketchbag
Plus Dj's get paid tones of money for live shows they should consider their tracks as a promotial tool for people to come out to their shows to see them play live. |
This comment has been made many times, not just by you Peter.
I must ask:
Though it's not common, there are many producers out there who DON'T DJ! . . .
So what for these producers now, based on that comment?? Since they don't DJ, I guess they're just ED, eh, based on that logic!
They aren't doing shows and making money from that avenue -- producing and selling tunes is their only job, how they make their livings.
| quote: | Originally posted by Porky
but here's another example laura. as a pvd fan i used to travel around to diff gigs to see him spin. as a fan who donwloaded his music for free, i repaid my respects by attending alot of his shows and buying his CDs.
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Just bc you support someone (a DJ) by paying cover at a club when he or she is touring, doesn't earn you the right to steal from him or her in another way!
Spending money on one aspect of what a person does does not entitle some one to steal from the same person in another asect! One doesn't justify the other. That's a ridiculous way to look at things.
I know it realitionalizes things in your head, but that doesn't make it any more "right" in reality.
| quote: | Originally posted by Chris Allen
Since when was it your right to get music for free?
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This pretty much sums up my feelings.
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
DJ's play a variety of music, from a large variety of artists. When you say you want to download the tracks for free, then go and see them live, you are no supporting everybody.
Lets take the PVD example that Porky presented. The problem with your example is that he does not play all his own music. You go out, download a set, or some songs that he plays. Then you go see him live and he gets paid. What about all those artists that helped to make his show a success?
PVD pays for his music (sometimes), and each artist gets paid once from him buying one copy of that record. By paying PVD for his performance, you are not neccessarily supporting each and every artist. What if you downloaded a song, that he didn't even play when you see him live?
DJs and radio are able to and allowed to play the music they bought, because it is supposed to be a promo tool. You go hear it, and go buy it. You do not get to hear it and then keep it.
The majority of artists which make up the scene will never get to tour, because they do not have enough material, nor do they DJ. It is just crazy to expect every artist to also DJ. Some of them do not have the skills, nor the drive to do so. And some just plain do not have the resources, because they put them into producing.
Please stop bringing up Radiohead, Trent Reznor, and Prince. Those guys are massive, with huge followings, and a substantial amount of resources behind them. They can run it as a business. Take a hit on the album, and marketing, but make it back in touring. One thing to remember, the people seeing their show, would probably have seen the show if the new albums was released or not. |
Good ing post, Bobby, and excellent points. |
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| Skipper |
| The people in this thread who think they have a right to steal copyrighted music make me so angry. You are cheap and pathetic. |
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| Jungle Fever |
| Good for you Steve. I give the man credit for standing up for his living. It is not his fault that the system is breaking apart, yet he only has this system to work with. Maybe a new distribution system needs to be thought up. I don't think it is too much to ask, a DJ asking to be paid for what he has created. I just bought his double cd, wow great, love his productions. Guess what I paid $45.86. As much as possible I support DJs I like. I will buy more from him also. I don't know about most people on this board or around the world, but I like to get paid by my boss for work rendered. I would not be able to volunteer all my time to the company I am working for. I have bills to pay just like anyone else. It would be great to have enough money to offer my services for free, but right now it is not realistic. Why should DJ's be asked to do so. It should be their right to choose so, not forced upon them. |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by jon jon
Agreed. I mean , 9/10 of my favourite producers don't DJ. Two totally different industries. |
I think it was Jayx1 who mentioned that in the past few years more and more artists have started to DJ to supplement their income. That is not what I personally want from this scene. I want to see people who want to DJ, not have to.
When we talk about artists being able to actually live of their earnings, that does not happen with everybody and never has. Many artists have day jobs, and produce on the side. Armin was studying to be a lawyer. Ferry was an audio engineer. Dave Dresden (or was it Josh Gabriel?) was an audio engineer for Disney. They finally got big enough to play music full time.
If Steve is angry, maybe he should be angry at the very people he is trusting with the promo. They are the ones that are giving out the material they were trusted with. This is the exact same problem in the movie industry. Reviewers are given preview copies of movies, but they are the ones pirating and uploading to the net. |
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| VinylJunkies |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
If Steve is angry, maybe he should be angry at the very people he is trusting with the promo. They are the ones that are giving out the material they were trusted with. This is the exact same problem in the movie industry. Reviewers are given preview copies of movies, but they are the ones pirating and uploading to the net. |
I agree |
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| patpicos |
| sounds like angello mingled with Tenaglia! |
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| phlog |
| quote: | Originally posted by NuERA
perhaps some of you should stop getting paid for all the hard work you do, but is ok because you can make up for it by charging people to come watch you in your cubicle... :rolleyes: |
hey if i could sell tickets to my cubicle i would!
many atheletes work their asses off trying to make it big and fail, making next-to-nothing doing what they love.
piracy is a factor in the business of making music. unfortunatly it's not going away any time soon. |
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| jon jon |
| quote: | Originally posted by phlog
many atheletes work their asses off trying to make it big and fail, making next-to-nothing doing what they love.
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RIDICULOUS ANALOGY! haha |
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