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How much money would it take to get you to kill a puppy with your bare hands? (pg. 10)
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| Dr. DAS |
| quote: | Originally posted by AustralianGQ
are u a vegetarian? i wanna hear ur answer....
so what? the US kills 20 million chickens a day to feed a larger species(humans).
now granted id like to see more effort be put to kill animals that we consume in a more humane way, but im not gonna stop eating meat just b/c one country kills 20 million a day. does it really matter if the US killed 20 million or 10? its still for the same purpose, food. |
I hate to agree with el toolio here, but he's got a point.
Ideally, the mass slaughter of animals for food would be carried out in a more humane manner, but I don't feel at all bad for enjoying a bit of meat in my diet. People are omnivorious by design.
If you're a veg, good for you - seriously - for sticking to your convictions. But it's my right as a human being and as a higher species to kill things and eat them if I decide to. Nature's a bitch.
He is quite the tool though... |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
But it's my right as a human being and as a higher species to kill things and eat them if I decide to. |
I can hardly blame you, as this sentiment is a true testament to your species.
As somebody taller, I have every "right" to kill those who are shorter than I.
As somebody healthy, I have every right to kill those who are sickly or weak.
As somebody young, I have every right to kill those who are older, more frail than myself.
If I can do it, it is natural.
Because might makes right.
understanding, co-habitation, and a nostalgic sense of preservation for the things my rights could destroy forever. As something that needs to eat, I can eat whatever the I can kill. What a beautiful world, full of such people. |
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| Dr. DAS |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
I can hardly blame you, as this sentiment is a true testament to your species.
As somebody taller, I have every "right" to kill those who are shorter than I.
As somebody healthy, I have every right to kill those who are sickly or weak.
As somebody young, I have every right to kill those who are older, more frail than myself.
If I can do it, it is natural.
Because might makes right.
understanding, co-habitation, and a nostalgic sense of preservation for the things my rights could destroy forever. As something that needs to eat, I can eat whatever the I can kill. What a beautiful world, full of such people. |
:rolleyes:
So if you had your way we would be dropping protein shakes and salads for all the bears to eat, so they don't need to rely on killing other animals as part of thier diet?
Give me a break. The human animal evolved to survive on a diet that contains meat as well as plant life. That's nature. For thousands of years, from hunting mastadon with spears to walking into Morton's for a striploin, humans have evolved to eat other animals. Just because we've developed the technology to supplement our bodies to the point that you can live without it, doesn't mean that eating meat is suddenly immoral.
Again, if you're a veg, good for you for sticking to your convictions, but it doesn't make me a bad person or a savage because I'm not. |
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| Rodrico |
| As a child I was really mean with animals and had actually killed a rabbit, broke my dog's legs, almost suffocated an already tortured kitty cat. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
Morals are an entirely human concept. And there is simply no consensus in that regard. Think outside of "moral" and "immoral" for this argument, as they will only restrict you.
You want to talk about evolution with all the audacity to lecture me on what is natural and what isn't, yet the major flaw in your argument follows that the human consciousness took a step in the "right" direction by killing animals for sustenance, yet is taking a step in the "wrong" one by making an entirely objective, conscious decision to restrict mass consumerism and the wholesale slaughter of millions of mutant creatures bred to live and die only to serve our supposed "needs".
Is compassion and a sense of our place in the world not an indication of evolution as well? It would be a solution to our distress - our fear - an extrication from the maws of sympathetic consumerism, to break free of its cycle, if such a thing were possible. Am I saying this is possible? No. Don't misunderstand me, because I do not know.
But it seems to me that if you can approve of the torture, testure and disrespectful treatment and subsequent consumption of any animal, then humans can absolutely be no exclusion. Eat the weak. Eat the poor, the rich, the fat, the diseased, as long as it all tastes good. And who cares - if it's for survival, it is justified, right? But what is survival? Have human beings ever been satisfied with mere survival, or is suffering the absolute apple of our desire?
I strongly doubt you've the stomach for this mentality. |
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| Rodrico |
| I thought about it over the last few minutes and i honestly think that for 50,000 dollars, that would be one sorry ass dog. |
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| Clovis |
| Chickens don't have souls man. |
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| bas |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Chickens don't have souls man. |
Or lips...or teeth...ing creepy :nervous: |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
:rolleyes:
So if you had your way we would be dropping protein shakes and salads for all the bears to eat, so they don't need to rely on killing other animals as part of thier diet?
Give me a break. The human animal evolved to survive on a diet that contains meat as well as plant life. That's nature. For thousands of years, from hunting mastadon with spears to walking into Morton's for a striploin, humans have evolved to eat other animals. Just because we've developed the technology to supplement our bodies to the point that you can live without it, doesn't mean that eating meat is suddenly immoral.
Again, if you're a veg, good for you for sticking to your convictions, but it doesn't make me a bad person or a savage because I'm not. |
Did we evolve to raise 20 million chickens a day in 1x1 ft cages on growth hormones with their beaks cut-off so we could enjoy processed mcnuggets in little neat cardboard boxes with a complete disconnect on how they came to be? lol
I mean, as my man +On+On has pointed out, anything can be justified via that logic. We evolved to eat meat because we figured out how to make spears and kill animals. How did it get to raising them en masse just to have them slaughtered? That is absolutely un-natural, and strictly of our own doing.
Btw, I eat meat too, but I don't think its a right, I think its ing horrible. But the ease and convenience and my incredible lazyness and lack of compassion for livestock and chickens from industrial farms mean I don't care.
The original point was, Mr. AustralopithecusGQ here is trying to lecture everyone on morals without having given the inherent contradiction in his way of thinking any thought (much how he approaches pretty much everything else). If you consume meat daily then killing 1 puppy for no ing reason is really a drop in the bucket. |
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| Dr. DAS |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
You want to talk about evolution with all the audacity to lecture me on what is natural and what isn't, yet the major flaw in your argument follows that the human consciousness took a step in the "right" direction by killing animals for sustenance, yet is taking a step in the "wrong" one by making an entirely objective, conscious decision to restrict mass consumerism and the wholesale slaughter of millions of mutant creatures bred to live and die only to serve our supposed "needs". |
Pretty much. It's a shame how these animals are raised, but a tolerable sacrifice to feed the millions of people that populate our countries. You could also argue that our very population, even if we were all vegan, would still be responsible for the suffering of millions of animals because of the destruction of thier habitat to create farmland that sustains us, or the poisoning of the Earth by using fertilizers and pesticides. The human race has expanded to the point where we are no longer living in a sustainable manner.
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Is compassion and a sense of our place in the world not an indication of evolution as well? It would be a solution to our distress - our fear - an extrication from the maws of sympathetic consumerism, to break free of its cycle, if such a thing were possible. Am I saying this is possible? No. Don't misunderstand me, because I do not know. |
I don't believe it is possible. Compassion is a great gift, but I have a lot more of it for the starving people of the world than a bunch of chickens. Sorry.
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But it seems to me that if you can approve of the torture, testure and disrespectful treatment and subsequent consumption of any animal, then humans can absolutely be no exclusion. Eat the weak. Eat the poor, the rich, the fat, the diseased, as long as it all tastes good. And who cares - if it's for survival, it is justified, right? But what is survival? Have human beings ever been satisfied with mere survival, or is suffering the absolute apple of our desire? |
This seems like a reach. Suffering is a natural thing as well. The whole universe runs on balance and without suffering, how would you ever know true joy?
| quote: | | I strongly doubt you've the stomach for this mentality. |
You have no idea what I'm capable of. I can stomach it, I just find it to be horribly misguided. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Ian
although they're better for dropkicking. Nobody will get that last reference i don't think, but if they do, i'll give them £20 :p |
Kerpal? |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
I don't believe it is possible. Compassion is a great gift, but I have a lot more of it for the starving people of the world than a bunch of chickens. Sorry.
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LMAO, do you know how many MORE people we could feed if we just grew grains etc? We don't feed starving people in ethiopia factory raised chickens and livestock, we send them grain. Why? Because its cheaper and vastly more efficient to produce. In fact, livestock raising is actually detrimental to your point.
| quote: | | "If all the grain currently fed to livestock in the United States were consumed directly by people, the number of people who could be fed would be nearly 800 million," David Pimentel, professor of ecology in Cornell University's College of Agriculture and Life Sciences |
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