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How much money would it take to get you to kill a puppy with your bare hands? (pg. 11)
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| Clovis |
Wow I just read the rest of your post. Read up on this stuff buddy, you clearly haven't.
| quote: | | You could also argue that our very population, even if we were all vegan, would still be responsible for the suffering of millions of animals because of the destruction of thier habitat to create farmland that sustains us, or the poisoning of the Earth by using fertilizers and pesticides. |
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Yeah, not really. |
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| Dr. DAS |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Did we evolve to raise 20 million chickens a day in 1x1 ft cages on growth hormones with their beaks cut-off so we could enjoy processed mcnuggets in little neat cardboard boxes with a complete disconnect on how they came to be? lol |
Clearly, we did.
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I mean, as my man +On+On has pointed out, anything can be justified via that logic. We evolved to eat meat because we figured out how to make spears and kill animals. How did it get to raising them en masse just to have them slaughtered? That is absolutely un-natural, and strictly of our own doing. |
We evolved to eat meat because that's what the animals be evolved from we eating. That's why your teeth are shaped the way they are.
Spears are just tools to make that easier.
If it were practical for all of us to have our own private livestock and farmlands to sustain ourselves, we would never have developed into the advanced society we have, we would have continued to live in blissful isolation. There would be no McDonalds, no cities, no infastructure, no advanced medecine, no TA. So unless you can figure out a way to feed the 350 million people in the US without some kind of centralized food production and mass slaughter, we're kind of stuck. Luckily, if Star Trek has taught us anything, it's that in a few hundred years we will be able to program a computer to create sustinence from raw matter and all the chickens can live happily out in the wild, being slaughtered by foxes.
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Btw, I eat meat too, but I don't think its a right, I think its ing horrible. But the ease and convenience and my incredible lazyness and lack of compassion for livestock and chickens from industrial farms mean I don't care.
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Well, there you go.
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The original point was, Mr. AustralopithecusGQ here is trying to lecture everyone on morals without having given the inherent contradiction in his way of thinking any thought (much how he approaches pretty much everything else). If you consume meat daily then killing 1 puppy for no ing reason is really a drop in the bucket. |
Absolutely right. But there are places (like Yohan's house) where puppies are food (...sorry Yohan, had to!)
The key thing here is the disconnect. Our society sees dogs as pets, not food, so you should have a problem with that...like trying to order a steak in Bombay, only in reverse.
If I needed the money, that puppy dies. Look out for #1 above all else.
As I said before, I've killed all kinds of creatures in all kinds of ways for training purposes and food. Was it totally nessecary? No. However, I ate what I killed so that keeps me in harmony with nature and I won't feel bad about that.
Just out of curiosity, what kind of puppy. I think an ugly one would make it easier.:tongue2 |
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| Dr. DAS |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
LMAO, do you know how many MORE people we could feed if we just grew grains etc? We don't feed starving people in ethiopia factory raised chickens and livestock, we send them grain. Why? Because its cheaper and vastly more efficient to produce. In fact, livestock raising is actually detrimental to your point. |
And yet our government burns tonnes of grain each year as cull, in order to keep prices high. Why not ship that to starving countries?
Because it's easier to stay on top when you'e holding everyone else down.
So maybe we should be working on thier living conditions instead of tomorrow's special at Swiss Chalet. |
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| Rodrico |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
And yet our government burns tonnes of grain each year as cull, in order to keep prices high. Why not ship that to starving countries?
Because it's easier to stay on top when you'e holding everyone else down.
So maybe we should be working on thier living conditions instead of tomorrow's special at Swiss Chalet. |
He prolly doesnt know what a Swiss Chalet is. |
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| Dr. DAS |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Wow I just read the rest of your post. Read up on this stuff buddy, you clearly haven't.
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Yeah, not really. |
So we don't displace wild animals to create farmland? Are you sure you're going with that? There's just always been swaths of corn, growing neatly in rows for all time?
Or is it that you're sure we aren't poisoning the earth and water with chemicals used to control pests/insects?
Because I could have sworn we almost wiped out the Perigrine Falcon because DDT was thinning thier eggsells to the point the were no longer viable...among other species.
etc, etc.... |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
So we don't displace wild animals to create farmland? Are you sure you're going with that? There's just always been swaths of corn, growing neatly in rows for all time?
Or is it that you're sure we aren't poisoning the earth and water with chemicals used to control pests/insects?
Because I could have sworn we almost wiped out the Perigrine Falcon because DDT was thinning thier eggsells to the point the were no longer viable...among other species.
etc, etc.... |
Livestock production wastes more than grain production and is far more detrimental to the environment. This is fact. |
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| Dr. DAS |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
And yet our government burns tonnes of grain each year as cull, in order to keep prices high. Why not ship that to starving countries?
Because it's easier to stay on top when you'e holding everyone else down.
So maybe we should be working on thier living conditions instead of tomorrow's special at Le Swiss Chalet. |
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| Dr. DAS |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Livestock production wastes more than grain production and is far more detrimental to the environment. This is fact. |
Never said it didn't, but farming grain isn't the puritan solution you're making it out to be. |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
Never said it didn't, but farming grain isn't the puritan solution you're making it out to be. |
Neither is industrialized livestock raising necessary to feed "starving" people. |
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Neither is industrialized livestock raising necessary to feed "starving" people. |
Well, feeding starving people at all isn't really necessary either. If you don't feed them, they tend to go away, and then there's fewer starving people. The problem just sort of takes care of itself naturally. :) |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
Well, feeding starving people at all isn't really necessary either. If you don't feed them, they tend to go away, and then there's fewer starving people. The problem just sort of takes care of itself naturally. :) |
God damnit :stongue: |
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