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This is the "freedom" our soldiers are fighting for? (pg. 2)
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| zokissima |
| quote: | Originally posted by exstasie
Exactly. Let them deal with their own problems.
If they can't fix, tough luck on them. That's their own fault. |
If that's the case, why the hell do we have troops stationed there in the first place? |
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| exstasie |
| quote: | Originally posted by zokissima
If that's the case, why the hell do we have troops stationed there in the first place? |
Beats me. Pressure from the US? UN? Boost the economy?
We all know how the US can get out of their recession. Just invade Syria or something and declare war on them... |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by exstasie
Exactly. Let them deal with their own problems.
If they can't fix, tough luck on them. That's their own fault. |
While I somewhat agree, you must keep in mind that the ramifications of their not being able to fix their own problems can affect us and/or our allies. What you've stated is tantamount to saying... "let the poor fend for themselves," which is all well and good until they start fending for themselves by robbing your house. |
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| exstasie |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
While I somewhat agree, you must keep in mind that the ramifications of their not being able to fix their own problems can affect us and/or our allies. What you've stated is tantamount to saying... "let the poor fend for themselves," which is all well and good until they start fending for themselves by robbing your house. |
Yes..thats true so then you build a defence system to keep them out.
I know everyone wants to create the peaceful global world where we all live in harmony but realistically speaking, that will never happen with such conflicting views of life. |
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| eRRaTiK |
| quote: | Originally posted by exstasie
I know everyone wants to create the peaceful global world where we all live in harmony but realistically speaking, that will never happen when the nation with the strongest military has ulterior motives |
fixed, IMO. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by zokissima
If that's the case, why the hell do we have troops stationed there in the first place? |
We are members of NATO. NATO has a mutual defence pact, which holds that if one member of NATO is attacked all others are to come to their defence. The US was attacked by a group that was supported, fostered, and sheltered by the Afgaistan government of the day. Since the US is also a member of NATO we were obliged to come to their defence. The decision to join the mission to oust the Taliban was the correct one. We continue to have troops in the theater because withdrawing now will most certainly result in the Taliban again holding power, which is likely to result in another attack down the road, requiring another invasion.
You cannot go into a country, create a vacuum of power, then leave and expect it not to bite you in the ass later. |
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| eRRaTiK |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
We continue to have troops in the theater because withdrawing now will most certainly result in the Taliban again holding power, which is likely to result in another attack down the road, requiring another invasion. |
so the question remains, how long and what is being done to allow Afghanistan to stand on its own two feet? |
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| capo tutti di |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
IMO we shouldn't be sticking our noses where they don't belong. |
+1 on that...it's useless and a waste of life and time, not the people of Afghanistan, but the politics and state of mind of the governments, opposition or otherwise.
Which one of our soldiers have died a hero, honestly? It's all been a terrible instance of ambush, "friendly fire" or miscommunication.
Really outside of actually being in the middle east as a soldier what threat does Afghanistan pose to us on our native soil?
IMO just leave them let them sort it out, if that means rebel forces well then i guess that's what happens...if that were to happen the rebels would likely become bolder and try to push their borders and territories and neighboring countries would likely come in and be as ruthless as the Afghans and regulate.
Sounds medieval? perhaps but this is the way these people are living now, Europe and Asia sorted themselves out this way centuries ago, without any help of forces half a world away..
In Layman's Terms.....
I GEEVE |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by exstasie
Yes..thats true so then you build a defence system to keep them out.
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Unfortunately, the lifestyle we demand is diametrically opposed to the measures that would have to be put in place to create the defence system required to safeguard us from this method of attack. Since we are unwilling to change our lifestyles we are forced to find another method of defence. In this case it appears that the best defence is a strong offence. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by eRRaTiK
so the question remains, how long and what is being done to allow Afghanistan to stand on its own two feet? |
How long is a question I don't think anyone is sure of the answer to. What is being done... much; building infrastructure, training and equiping a military and police force, trying to build the institutions of democracy. Will it all work? I don't know, likely not, but we do have a duty of care to ourselves and the citizens of Afganistan to give it our level best effort. |
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| EvilTree |
Gah... So many posts to answer to, but I'll quickly hit on a few for now.
| quote: | Originally posted by capo tutti di
+1 on that...it's useless and a waste of life and time, not the people of Afghanistan, but the politics and state of mind of the governments, opposition or otherwise.
Which one of our soldiers have died a hero, honestly? It's all been a terrible instance of ambush, "friendly fire" or miscommunication. |
CF is composed of volunteers. So people sign up, knowing what they are getting into.
These soldiers died as 'heroes' by doing their duty. Doesn't matter how they died.
There is no 'heroic' way to die in war.
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Really outside of actually being in the middle east as a soldier what threat does Afghanistan pose to us on our native soil?
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You do know that Canadian way of life is pretty much everything that Osama and his band of loonies is completely against? Considering Canada is part of NATO, have free democracy, freedom of speech, religion, whatnot, I don't think fundamentalist Muslims don't like us much.
Face the facts, folks. Not everyone loves Canadians.
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IMO just leave them let them sort it out, if that means rebel forces well then i guess that's what happens...if that were to happen the rebels would likely become bolder and try to push their borders and territories and neighboring countries would likely come in and be as ruthless as the Afghans and regulate.
Sounds medieval? perhaps but this is the way these people are living now, Europe and Asia sorted themselves out this way centuries ago, without any help of forces half a world away..
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21st century politics and public pressure don't let wars happen easily. |
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