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'epic' protests - (re: L.R.H.) (pg. 5)
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| tubularbills |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Oh, got it. Yeah, I can't say I agree with them, but I can't say I disapprove of their actions either — they're exercising their right to free speech against an organisation that is rather intolerant against different opinions. If you think about it this way, I can't see how one wouldn't feel impelled to condone their attitude. I'm afraid, nevertheless, that they'll become just as intolerant as the ideas they're fighting...
"Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one." - Friedrich Nietzsche
In spite of this dilemma, I find this all really interesting... unlike flash mobs, which are essentially harmless, I think this shows what the internet is really capable of. |
and what lengths people go on it. there was an article i read a few months ago about some douche who actually went to someone's house and tried to kill him in real life because the dude killed him in some online computer game.
some scary s out there:nervous: :nervous: |
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| Yan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Oh, got it. Yeah, I can't say I agree with them, but I can't say I disapprove of their actions either — they're exercising their right to free speech against an organisation that is rather intolerant against different opinions. If you think about it this way, I can't see how one wouldn't feel impelled to condone their attitude. I'm afraid, nevertheless, that they'll become just as intolerant as the ideas they're fighting...
"Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one." - Friedrich Nietzsche
In spite of this dilemma, I find this all really interesting... unlike flash mobs, which are essentially harmless, I think this shows what the internet is really capable of. |
DEAR G-D TELL ME YOU'VE READ OR SEEN MONSTER (MANGA, ANIME).
Reading the Nietzsche quote gave me chills.
I think the most interesting part is that the majority of those that showed up were in their teens and twenties (pretty much the age category that vists 4chan regularly). The younger generation's stepping up!
The internet is an extremely powerful tool... Maybe even too powerful. Some day we might even see some sanctions. And that's when all the blocks fall down. But that's just my assuming. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
I'm afraid, nevertheless, that they'll become just as intolerant as the ideas they're fighting... |
yeah, but what's wrong with being intolerant towards certain sectors of society that can cause great harm? that. "tolerance" is where stupidity is bred, there are just some things in life that shouldn't be tolerated. scientology is but one of those. as long as they're sticking their nose into things that do not concern them, the public should be able to fight back as they see fit without being labelled as "intolerant". |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yan
DEAR G-D TELL ME YOU'VE READ OR SEEN MONSTER (MANGA, ANIME). |
No, never, what is it about?
| quote: | Originally posted by Yan
I think the most interesting part is that the majority of those that showed up were in their teens and twenties (pretty much the age category that vists 4chan regularly). The younger generation's stepping up! |
It's like a geekier hippy comeback :toothless |
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| Yan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
No, never, what is it about? |
| quote: | Via Anime News Network:
Kenzou Tenma, a Japanese brain surgeon in Germany, had it all: incredible skill at his work, a rich and beautiful fiancee, and a promising career at his hospital. However, after becoming disenchanted by hospital politics, he chose to save the life of a young boy who got shot in the head over the life of the mayor. As a result he lost the support of the hospital director, as well as his position in the hospital and his fiance. A short time later, the hospital director and the doctors that replaced him were murdered, and once again he was catapulted back onto the top. But as the chief suspect of the murders, Tenma did not get a easy life. As a matter of fact, it seems that the boy he saved was much more than he had appeared to be... Now to clear his name and to correct his past mistake, Tenma must get to the bottom of these and other murders, and investigate the truth of the Monster who is behind all of this. |
It's not fantastical. A psychological thriller... So good.
A little about the author (Naoki Urasawa):
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Highly, highly, HIGHLY, HIGHLY recommended. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
yeah, but what's wrong with being intolerant towards certain sectors of society that can cause great harm? |
Because you're on a slippery slope when you give yourself the right to silence others. Now they're fighting Scientology... what will they fight next? |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Because you're on a slippery slope when you give yourself the right to silence others. Now they're fighting Scientology... what will they fight next? |
its not a slippery slope if people choose their targets wisely. its on a case by case basis. i say go for it and send this abomination back to the inane hole from whence it was born. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Because you're on a slippery slope when you give yourself the right to silence others. Now they're fighting Scientology... what will they fight next? |
its only a slippery slope if other religions could be classified in the same context as scientology. the root of everyones problem with scientology is that it isnt a religion. it operates for profit. no other church has a "donation" structure that created dependent on your pay. the other religions just ask you to give what you can. the mormon church teaches 10% but they also provide a lot of help too (i am a product of this help).
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
its not a slippery slope if people choose their targets wisely. its on a case by case basis. i say go for it and send this abomination back to the inane hole from whence it was born. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
its only a slippery slope if other religions could be classified in the same context as scientology. the root of everyones problem with scientology is that it isnt a religion. it operates for profit. no other church has a "donation" structure that created dependent on your pay. the other religions just ask you to give what you can. the mormon church teaches 10% but they also provide a lot of help too (i am a product of this help). |
It needn't be a religion: It could be a company, a sub-culture, or even a country. Anonymous stated, for example:
| quote: | | The so-called Church of Scientology actively misused copyright and trademark law in pursuit of its own agenda ... They attempted not only to subvert free speech, but to recklessly pervert justice to silence those who spoke out against them. |
Can't you think of a non-religious organisation infringing similar rights? |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
It needn't be a religio: It could be a company, a sub-culture, or even a country. Anonymous stated, for example:
Can't you imagine a non-religious organisation infringing similar rights? |
yeah, but i cant imagine the group caring about it. scientology is unique and special, and deserves treatment as such. its not a coincidence that this "group" went after scientology, instead of other big corporations.
and really, protests are usually only useful if they spur society at large to re-examine the issue. so if there was no momentum when they protest, then they shall be forgotten.
im surprised that a logical philosopher like yourself would be bending over backwards to be an apologist for a "church" that is EVERYTHING rational thought and reason are not. |
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| venomX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yan
It's not fantastical. A psychological thriller... So good.
A little about the author (Naoki Urasawa):
As a storyteller, his most distinctive characteristics are his dense, multi-layered, interconnecting narratives, his mastery of suspense, clever homages to classic manga & anime from days gone by and a curious fascination with Germany.
Highly, highly, HIGHLY, HIGHLY recommended. |
I second this recommendation, I loved that series  . |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
yeah, but i cant imagine the group caring about it. scientology is unique and special, and deserves treatment as such. its not a coincidence that this "group" went after scientology, instead of other big corporations.
and really, protests are usually only useful if they spur society at large to re-examine the issue. so if there was no momentum when they protest, then they shall be forgotten.
im surprised that a logical philosopher like yourself would be bending over backwards to be an apologist for a "church" that is EVERYTHING rational thought and reason are not. |
As you can read in my previous posts, I'm not against the protests themselves. Like I said, they're exercising their right to free speech, and I fully endorse these actions.
I can't, however, help feeling a bit wary about the "Project Chanology" as a whole. They don't have the legal powers to bring the organisation down, as they wish. Many critics of Scientology, such as Andreas Heldal-Lund, Mark Bunker and Tory Christman have frowned upon the Project Chanology as well. Mirror punishment is quite problematic (e.g. promoting cyberwarfare techniques in order to stifle scientologist ideas), to begin with, and can't thus be considered a legitemate vehicle for revenge.
That doesn't mean, however, that I condone scientology. I'm not an apologist, pkc. Quite on the contrary, I'd like to see /b/tards do the right thing, for their own good. |
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