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Kosovo declaring independence from Serbia (pg. 8)
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
Krypton, when countries fight for independence, they tend to do it for just that, not to lose their independence to another state. I doubt Kosovo will join Albania anytime soon, though they might form some sort of a political or an economical alliance of sorts. Kosovans right now want to enjoy the precious freedom. Same with Abkhazia, South Ossetia and whatever other European breakaway region. Even if Abkhazia is suddenly recognized by Russia, that wouldn't mean they would join Russia.
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That's exactly what I said..;)
I said I don't believe the argument some (i.e. skoob) have put up saying the next event will be Albanians all over the balkans trying to establish a Greater Albania. |
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| Krypton |
| What was it about Marshal Tito that keep Yugoslavia together for so long? |
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| SkooB_E |
| quote: | Originally posted by Evol`
Communism. |
That and a bullet in the head of anyone who said anything bad against him or "his" country. |
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| venomX |
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Russia could use force in Kosovo
Czech K-For troops in northern Kosovo, 21 Feb 08
Czech Nato troops went to prevent further Serb violence
Russia's ambassador to Nato, Dmitry Rogozin, has warned that Russia could use military force if the Kosovo independence dispute escalates.
"If the EU develops a unified position or if Nato exceeds its mandate set by the UN, then these organisations will be in conflict with the UN," he said.
In that case Russia would "proceed on the basis that in order to be respected we need to use brute force", he said.
Many EU members have recognised Kosovo, but several oppose recognition.
Russia, a permanent member of the UN Security Council, backs Serbia, which has condemned the independence declaration issued by the Kosovo parliament on 17 February.
On Tuesday members of the Serb minority in Kosovo attacked two border posts staffed by UN personnel and Kosovo police.
The violence led the Nato troops in Kosovo - known as K-For - to reinforce the border with Serbia.
Kosovo's majority ethnic Albanians are following a plan drawn up by UN special envoy Martti Ahtisaari for "supervised independence", which was rejected by Serbia.
Russian media outcry
The EU will soon deploy 2,000 officials to strengthen law and order in Kosovo, which has a population of about two million. Russia argues that the mission has no legal basis.
There has been a furious reaction in some Russian media to Kosovo's declaration of independence.
A commentary in the Vesti Plus analytical programme, on state-run television, called the assassinated former Serbian Prime Minister, Zoran Djindjic, a Western puppet who had "received a well-deserved bullet".
It said Djindjic had sold national heroes to the International War Crimes Tribunal in The Hague.
The programme concluded that Serbia - and not only Serbia - must now decide whether to acquiesce in what has happened, or resist.
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Well this certainly complicates things. |
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| Magnetonium |
Dont trust that article, its British Russophobic media. I already brought up countless examples. Russia doesnt want a Third World War. Who are they going to attack? You gotta be kidding me. Besides, no offense, Kosovo is not very important to Russia, its sort of a win win situation. Now Russia can juggle the situation in its favour with such breakaway regions as Abkhazia, South Ossetia and Transdnistria. Now noone can criticize Russia for "helping" those seccessionist movements. Chechnya and other Russian republics arent going to call anything .. not at least for many years from now. Chechnya was an example of that.
Not that I am saying that a separatist Russian republic will be put down by force. Tatarstan declared independence in 1991 and kicked out Russian taxmen and officials. Unlike the pesky Chechens, Tatarstan and Moscow were able to find dialogue and now everything good and happy. Tatarstan is one of the most prosperous regions in Russia btw.
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| guerra-monstru |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
Dont trust that article, its British Russophobic media. I already brought up countless examples. Russia doesnt want a Third World War. Who are they going to attack? You gotta be kidding me. Besides, no offense, Kosovo is not very important to Russia, its sort of a win win situation. Now Russia can juggle the situation in its favour with such breakaway regions as Abkhazia, South Ossetia and Transdnistria. Now noone can criticize Russia for "helping" those seccessionist movements. Chechnya and other Russian republics arent going to call anything .. not at least for many years from now. Chechnya was an example of that.
Not that I am saying that a separatist Russian republic will be put down by force. Tatarstan declared independence in 1991 and kicked out Russian taxmen and officials. Unlike the pesky Chechens, Tatarstan and Moscow were able to find dialogue and now everything good and happy. Tatarstan is one of the most prosperous regions in Russia btw.
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A third world war wouldn't happen over Kosovo. Russia can't do anything so no need to bring anything up. Once Russia "attacks" they will get their booty handed to them by Finland. |
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| eROs.au |
| quote: | Originally posted by guerra-monstru
A third world war wouldn't happen over Kosovo. Russia can't do anything so no need to bring anything up. Once Russia "attacks" they will get their booty handed to them by Finland. |
Why can't it? Smaller incidents have caused wars before |
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| guerra-monstru |
| quote: | Originally posted by eROs.au
Why can't it? Smaller incidents have caused wars before |
b/c we are living in a different time. If russia want's to go to war to protect "slavic" people. Than I have bad news for slavs. They will get wiped off this planet and no I don't think nucleur weapons would be used. Also you are talking about a very weak Russia that would have difficulty fighting Ukraine now imagine fighting a force like any NATO member. Russia would lose any war with any nation in NATO. Russia doesn't have the military power to be a "threat" and they wouldn't use nukes. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by guerra-monstru
b/c we are living in a different time. If russia want's to go to war to protect "slavic" people. Than I have bad news for slavs. They will get wiped off this planet and no I don't think nucleur weapons would be used. Also you are talking about a very weak Russia that would have difficulty fighting Ukraine now imagine fighting a force like any NATO member. Russia would lose any war with any nation in NATO. Russia doesn't have the military power to be a "threat" and they wouldn't use nukes. |
Whaaa? Russia has never been subjigated even by the likes of Adolf Hitler or Napolean. What makes you think they are so weak? They have some of the best weapons systems in the world which could match many facits of NATO technology. |
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| guerra-monstru |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Whaaa? Russia has never been subjigated even by the likes of Adolf Hitler or Napolean. What makes you think they are so weak? They have some of the best weapons systems in the world which could match many facits of NATO technology. |
Lets see where they went wrong. Napolean didn't have any winter clothing and his supply lines were streched thin. He did burn Moscow though. hitler had Ukrainians and Belorussians' killed even though many of them loved being liberated from Russia. So had Hitler been nicer to the Ukrainians and belorussians' good bye Russia. Russia would not have lasted. Also why do people think we are in the 1940's? Have people forgotten all the progress that has been made? Russia's size doesn't matter anymore nor do their equipement. The majority of their equipement is old and out of date. Like I said Russia would stand no chance against NATO. NONE. |
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| Evol` |
| Lol, its always interesting to see bbs/cnn nation kids point of view... |
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