so i would have posted this in the random talking thread but it wont come up. so here it is
Lemonad
Not funny at all, damn low lives.
I hope they become broke and then become bums themselves...
Jake Benson
Yeah that is pretty terrible. Homeless people are awesome. They should be doing this to those annoying blonde chicks that run over pedestrians that cause traffic jams because they're too busy text messaging and lip-sticking themselves. I would love to tie up those creatures and put them in zoos.
tubularbills
bums are a weird subject....cause like no one really gets a straight answer from them as to how they got to where they are. if you're just one unlucky bastard, ifeel bad....but if you're just ing lazy, then it's another story.
either way, the way those bums got treated was kinda cruel...i mean, you wouldn't go up to some random person in a suit and tackle them, and then mark them w/ a perm marker would you? :wtf:
gehzumteufel
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Originally posted by Lemonad
Not funny at all, damn low lives.
I hope they become broke and then become bums themselves...
lol although they are rich they are also in jail.
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Originally posted by Jake Benson
Yeah that is pretty terrible. Homeless people are awesome. They should be doing this to those annoying blonde chicks that run over pedestrians that cause traffic jams because they're too busy text messaging and lip-sticking themselves. I would love to tie up those creatures and put them in zoos.
so your basically a hypocrite saying that. cause if they were not it wouldnt be considered "terrible" to do such an act. why does it matter if they are homeless or not?
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Originally posted by tubularbills
bums are a weird subject....cause like no one really gets a straight answer from them as to how they got to where they are. if you're just one unlucky bastard, ifeel bad....but if you're just ing lazy, then it's another story.
either way, the way those bums got treated was kinda cruel...i mean, you wouldn't go up to some random person in a suit and tackle them, and then mark them w/ a perm marker would you? :wtf:
bums are bums for a reason. they are there because they choose to be. there is always a job out there for someone. how they deal with being homeless is usually their own choice. in fact i was listening to the radio the other day and they were talking about a guy that chose to go be homeless and started with $25. didnt use any of his connections he has or anything. he got a job, an apartment and a car. here is an article about it all.
LeopoldStotch
i have met and talked to a few schizophrenic bums. the bums who think they're one person one day, and another person the next. then, i also have sat next to, not have a conversation with, homeless people who thought their children were sitting next to them. :wtf:
gehzumteufel
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Originally posted by LeopoldStotch
i have met and talked to a few schizophrenic bums. the bums who think they're one person one day, and another person the next. then, i also have sat next to, not have a conversation with, homeless people who thought their children were sitting next to them. :wtf:
i dont disagree that SOME are there because they are mentally ill. i refuse to deny that. if i did id be disillusioned. what most people dont want to believe though is that a lot of them are actually there by choice. they choose not to improve their lives.
MrJiveBoJingles
The video was idiotic.
All the childish libertarian rhetoric about "choice" conveniently sidesteps the fact that choices are themselves conditioned (note that I did not say "determined") by things like upbringing and past experiences. To recognize this is not to "deny" choice but to develop a more nuanced conception of it.
So some college graduate worked his way up from poverty, and even without mentioning his education or background. Color me impressed. Now subtract the nice middle-class upbringing and the comfortable sense of optimism that comes packaged in with that, add in a childhood of hopeless poverty, parents who beat you and don't give a damn about whether you succeed, and regularly seeing good people killed or robbed -- then try the whole thing again and get back to me. I predict a slightly different result.
You can refuse to mention your background all you want and make a pretense that you are some ideal unconditioned homo economicus -- whatever confirms the ideology you set out so hopefully to prove, right? -- but your past remains a part of you. In some cases it helps and in other cases it really hurts.
hooknife
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Originally posted by gehzumteufel
i dont disagree that SOME are there because they are mentally ill. i refuse to deny that. if i did id be disillusioned. what most people dont want to believe though is that a lot of them are actually there by choice. they choose not to improve their lives.
I ing hate you! You are an insensitive !!! :whip:
gehzumteufel
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
The video was idiotic.
All the childish libertarian rhetoric about "choice" conveniently sidesteps the fact that choices are themselves conditioned (note that I did not say "determined") by things like upbringing and past experiences. To recognize this is not to "deny" choice but to develop a more nuanced conception of it.
So some college graduate worked his way up from poverty, and even without mentioning his education or background. Color me impressed. Now subtract the nice middle-class upbringing and the comfortable sense of optimism that comes packaged in with that, add in a childhood of hopeless poverty, parents who beat you and don't give a damn about whether you succeed, and regularly seeing good people killed or robbed -- then try the whole thing again and get back to me. I predict a slightly different result.
You can refuse to mention your background all you want and make a pretense that you are some ideal unconditioned homo economicus -- whatever confirms the ideology you set out so hopefully to prove, right? -- but your past remains a part of you. In some cases it helps and in other cases it really hurts.
the fact that people make it ok to use the victim mentality is just ridiculous. this bull about how they supposedly dont have the ability to think about ways to make it are just an utter crock of . blacks and mexicans pull this same for excuses to do the things they do in the projects. there are more opportunities for the blacks and mexicans in the projects than there are for myself as a white poverty kid. so this is just bull.
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Originally posted by hooknife
I ing hate you! You are an insensitive !!! :whip:
what makes me so insensitive? cause im not sympathetic for someone who made a choice to be a drunk or a drug addict? ffs get a clue. there are a good number of homeless who CHOOSE to be homeless.
MrJiveBoJingles
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Originally posted by gehzumteufel
the fact that people make it ok to use the victim mentality is just ridiculous.
This kind of rhetoric prejudices the debate from the start. Not once did I mention "victimization" or "victims." I mentioned experiences that people have, and how those experiences tend to affect them. Such circumstances do not "justify" a criminal life or drinking oneself into homelessness, but I hope the acknowledgment that formative environments can have a very big, very bad effect on people will at least lead to a bit of compassion and an attempt at actually understanding other lives instead of just waving off other human beings in all their complexity with simplistic, asinine dismissals like "he must have been lazy."
I mean, , do you think an alcoholic bum dreamed of growing up to be an alcoholic bum when he was a kid? Do you think he didn't have hopes for himself just like you or anyone else? Do you think he didn't want a better life than the one his parents had? Is the idea that he was "lazy" or had "poor self-control" really your best attempt at "explaining" why he is an alcoholic bum today? You're not stupid, so I know that's not the best you can do. Can you not be a bit more imaginative than that? Can you not try a bit harder to understand how circumstances and a few choices, their consequences not fully foreknown, can overwhelm someone? Or is the world where everybody is an atomic unconditioned homo economicus, and as such fully responsible for every facet of his life, the most nuanced one you can fathom? Is anything more complex than that too difficult or too uncomfortable for you to consider? I hope not.
gehzumteufel
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
This kind of rhetoric prejudices the debate from the start. Not once did I mention "victimization" or "victims." I mentioned experiences that people have, and how those experiences tend to affect them. Such circumstances do not "justify" a criminal life or drinking oneself into homelessness, but I hope the acknowledgment that formative environments can have a very big, very bad effect on people will at least lead to a bit of compassion and an attempt at actually understanding other lives instead of just waving off other human beings in all their complexity with simplistic, asinine dismissals like "he must have been lazy."
I mean, , do you think an alcoholic bum dreamed of growing up to be an alcoholic bum when he was a kid? Do you think he didn't have hopes for himself just like you or anyone else? Do you think he didn't want a better life than the one his parents had? Is the idea that he was "lazy" or had "poor self-control" really your best attempt at "explaining" why he is an alcoholic bum today? You're not stupid, so I know that's not the best you can do. Can you not be a bit more imaginative than that? Can you not try a bit harder to understand how circumstances and a few choices, their consequences not fully foreknown, can overwhelm someone? Or is the world where everybody is an atomic unconditioned homo economicus, and as such fully responsible for every facet of his life, the most nuanced one you can fathom? I hope not.
their circumstances can be overwhelming i agree. mine currently at times are. i dont go and cry about it hoping it will just fix itself. i deal with it. i make it work.
i have compassion for people. im not the total i am appearing to be. i just dont accept the thought they CANT make it. there are things they can do to improve their situation. i dont think that all are able to since there are some that are mentally ill and need a different sort of help. you could easily liken this to criminals that START to get on the right path, but since it is easier to be in jail than continue the hard path of getting straight, they commit another crime to go back. i realize that there are many things that discourage and get people down. i have been pretty discouraged myself. thats no excuse though to just go be homeless. thats a pretty abismal life.
