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Good bye Brett Favre (pg. 5)
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| Eddie N MIAMI |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
Inevitably though, all anyone has to default to in order to criticize Favre fall into one of two categories:
01. Interceptions.
02. Only one a single championship. |
03. QB rating of 77 over the last ten seasons of his career.
This article pretty much sums up my opinion of Favre:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/colum...ht&lid=tab5pos1
| quote: | Overhyped: Favre didn't deliver in second half of career
By Sal Paolantonio
ESPN.com
Brett Favre
In the playoffs, Brett Favre was 3-5 with 14 touchdown passes and 16 interceptions.
We interrupt the continued deification of Brett Favre -- a first-ballot Hall of Famer and the most durable player in NFL history -- with the following reality check.
Yes, Favre played long enough to throw the most touchdown passes and collect the most wins by an NFL quarterback. But let's examine the second half of No. 4's career. The truth is, Favre did little over the past decade to earn the gushing praise heaped upon him by our fawning brethren in the media.
In his 17 seasons, Brett Favre set numerous NFL records, including most yards passing (61,655) and most touchdowns (442).
But do those numbers, combined with Favre's three MVP awards and one Super Bowl victory, put him among the top 10 quarterbacks of all time?
After beating the San Francisco 49ers in the 1997 NFC Championship Game, Favre won just three of his last 10 playoff games. Eli Manning had more postseason wins in a 29-day span this past season than Favre had in his last decade with the Green Bay Packers.
Yes, Favre won a Super Bowl -- 11 years ago! But as his career arc spiraled downward, the blind adulation only got worse.
Favre's passer rating in his last 12 postseason games was a pedestrian 77.8. In his last five wild-card games, he went 2-3 with more interceptions (nine) than touchdown passes (seven). In his last three divisional playoff games, he went 1-2 with seven TDs and seven interceptions. That's a 3-5 record with 14 touchdown passes and 16 picks.
In two of his last four postseason appearances, Favre threw two of the most unthinkable playoff interceptions in NFL history, both in overtime -- to Brian Dawkins of the Philadelphia Eagles in 2003 and to Corey Webster of the New York Giants in January. In fact, Favre is the only quarterback in NFL history to throw overtime interceptions in two playoff games. In his last nine playoff games, Favre threw 18 interceptions.
Bart Starr
Brett Favre's career playoff record was 12-10. Fellow Packer star quarterback Bart Starr, above, was 9-1.
In the first 81 years of the Green Bay franchise, the most hallowed in all of pro football, the Packers were 13-0 at home in the postseason. But since 2002, the Packers have gone 2-3 in playoff games at Lambeau Field, with Favre losing to three not-quite Hall of Fame quarterbacks: Michael Vick, Daunte Culpepper and Manning.
If Manning had a decade like that, he'd be run out of New York. If Philip Rivers kept chucking ridiculous overtime interceptions in the postseason, he would be branded a first-round bust. If Drew Brees came up short in three out of five home playoff games, he'd be mocked.
But no matter how many dumb passes he threw and how many playoff games he lost, Favre remains immune to criticism.
Favre isn't even the greatest quarterback in the history of the Packers. It's not even close. Bart Starr won five NFL championships -- four more than Favre -- and retired as the NFL's most accurate passer.
Oh, you say Starr was surrounded by a Hall of Fame roster with a legendary coach. But Starr still is the NFL record holder with a 104.8 career playoff passer rating, nearly 20 points higher than Favre's. That wasn't Vince Lombardi or Ray Nitschke throwing those passes for Starr, whose career postseason passer rating, by the way, is 38 points higher than Johnny Unitas'.
Favre's career playoff record was 12-10. Starr's was 9-1 -- without the benefit of wild-card games. Favre threw 28 interceptions in 22 playoff games. Starr threw three in 10. Think about that -- just three picks in 213 postseason attempts.
But Bart Starr gets the Ringo Starr treatment -- underappreciated and overlooked. Favre gets put on a pedestal. Yes, he had a Pro Bowl season in 2007 with the youngest roster in the NFL. But his final moment on Lambeau Field was a wildly errant pass that turned into the NFC title for the Giants.
Indeed, a decade after his last moments of glory, the football hype machine continues to paint Favre as a hallowed icon of Americana, a symbol of all that is right with sports, a Wild West gun-slinging good ol' boy. There's Brett on the farm! There's Brett with his family! There's Brett on the cover of Sports Illustrated! There's Brett throwing another overtime interception!
Favre was among the best in the game, once upon a time. Those days are long gone. Only the idolatry remains.
This is adapted from the best-selling book "The Paolantonio Report: The Most Overrated and Underrated Players, Teams, Coaches and Moments in NFL History" by Sal Paolantonio with Reuben Frank, which is available in local bookstores and at Amazon.com. |
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| jonze |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eddie N MIAMI
p.s. also Id like to thank Jonze for correcting Butters about the misuse of Mark "super" Dupers name.
Jonze also wishes this thread was about another QB retiring. Should have been you Grossman
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i think he had it officially changed to super duper.
maybe grossman can break favre's interception record. he has to make sure that he stays around long enough though. i don't think any other team besides the bears would ever think about signing this guy to play. |
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| LeopoldStotch |
| one of the major reasons why i don't consider favre "elite", but "one of the best" is the way he loved to force things. |
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| King Ecnal |
vern... honestly... EDIT* - EDDIE needs to be shown a lesson after that LONG-ass... uncalled for post...
I didn't even bother reading it...
ban him for a few hours or something....
just wow... don't ever do that again!
wow, little disappointed in you eddie... |
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| Eddie N MIAMI |
:stongue: :stongue: :stongue:
I suprised myself when I saw it today.
like I said be4 , I blame Vern and Jonze especially for that epic long ass post :p
edit: ok Lance go check it now , I edited it a bit |
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| Eddie N MIAMI |
| quote: | Originally posted by King Ecnal
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| verndogs |
| quote: | Originally posted by King Ecnal
vern... honestly... EDIT* - EDDIE needs to be shown a lesson after that LONG-ass... uncalled for post...
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Eddie corrected himself. I think you owe him an apology :toothless |
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| King Ecnal |
| quote: | Originally posted by verndogs
Eddie corrected himself. I think you owe him an apology :toothless |
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| Nostalgic |
| quote: | Originally posted by King Ecnal
Granted, my list only includes QB's i've been fortunate enough to see play, so no Unitas, Starr, Bradshaw, etc... which 2 of those guys I'd put before Favre.. but anyway
1. Brady
2. Montana
3. Manning
4. Marino
5. Elway
6. Young
7. Aikman
8. Hick boy, I mean Favre
thanks for playing!
and to the Numbers... why the would I argue with Numbers??? Brady set unbelievable numbers this year, so don't sit there and think i'm going to on his numbers!!!
yeah what? exactly... but numbers, its all about winning!
and why would I attack Favre's INT habits??? Cause he's had NUMEROUS 1 TD, 4 INT games???? so what, everyone likes to throw the rock around on Sunday like a meathead... oh wait.... yeah he's #8! |
LMAO...Brady over Montana? Obviously a Boston homer. |
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| XaNaX |
| quote: | Originally posted by King Ecnal
Granted, my list only includes QB's i've been fortunate enough to see play, so no Unitas, Starr, Bradshaw, etc... which 2 of those guys I'd put before Favre.. but anyway
1. Brady
2. Montana
3. Manning
4. Marino
5. Elway
6. Young
7. Aikman
8. Hick boy, I mean Favre
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Brady over Montana? You have completely lost your ing mind. When you get down to brass tacks the NFL is about winning Super Bowls. How about Super Bowl XXIII when Montana got the ball back with 3 minutes to play and down by 3 he marched right down the field and scored the winning TD. What did Brady do? He had 30 seconds left and only needed to get to field goal range. He choked and got sacked and couldn't get the ball downfield.
I always hated the 49ers but even I can't deny Montana was probably the greatest quarterback who has ever played the game. How about 31 4th quarter come from behnd wins in his career? I'll tell you what, if my team is down by 6 with 35 seconds to play and has the ball on their own 15 yard line there is not another quarterback in the history of the game I'd rather have taking that snap than Montana.
Brady isn't even top 10 material. Without the cheating and his stacked team he wouldn't put up the numbers he put up. Give him some of the ty Dolphins teams that Marino played on and see what Brady can do. |
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