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Menno de Jong australia tour (pg. 8)
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| Deeman |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aesthetic
you'd think he was Jesus |
, I never knew Mike was spanish! |
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| narcism |
this thread needs more menno
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| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by xmike
10.00 - 11.00 Strangis
11.00 - 1.00 Sander van Doorn
1.00 - 3.00 Above and Beyond
3.00 - 5.00 Menno De Jong
5.00 - 7.00 John O'Callaghan
*Nichol is world class, thats where he should be on any lineup in the world. But it just so happens hes local. so, SUPPORT LOCAL TALENT AND PUT HIM THERE! |
talk about being realistic?? :conf:
nichol's great, but like cookie said, he struggles to create a good SET!! the songs he plays are great, but there's not structure, as far as i can tell... i don't think he could play a warm-up set either, otherwise i'd put him to open instead of strangis-- strangis can warm up tho, as he did last year..
plus, menno AFTER A&B-- come on!
A&B are light as a feather: Menno will move from that to some bang from where JOC can dominate the soundstystem.
Sander's hard to place.. if he played like he used to it would be awesome for him to close with bangin tech, but yeh, what he plays these days, he really doesn't fit anywhere, lol |
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| mmkoiman |
| quote: | Originally posted by EgosXII
A&B are light as a feather: Menno will move from that to some bang |
i'm sorry.. are we talking about the same menno here? menno de jong, from what i've heard of his productions and sets, are just as melodic and soft, if not more, than A&B!
xmike's got it, cept for the A&B and menno placement i reckon.. but we're yet to hear 2nd release names so mebbe there'll be a good thumper headliner added then who'll fit before JOC so we dont go from A&B melodic hands to JOC tear-your-face-off analog tech :D
*rocks out with/without out* |
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| Fpcookie |
| quote: | Originally posted by mmkoiman
but we're yet to hear 2nd release names so mebbe there'll be a good thumper headliner added then who'll fit before JOC so we dont go from A&B melodic hands to JOC tear-your-face-off analog tech :D |
haha jeez, you're optimistic mate! :p its already the biggest trance lineup that i can remember! |
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| xmike |
'structure' in a set is great - for earlier in the night. But warm up djs like strangis are put there for a reason. Promotors (try and) structure the night in terms of what style each dj plays, to give the night some flow.
the longer the set, the more of a journey a dj can lead us on. if nichol is given an hour between 4 and 5 - why would you want him to 'warm up'? right after a+b uplifting and "fluffy" trance, it would be wicked to hear a new nichol set. and at the very least give him the opportunity to show those unaware that good trance does come out of australia.
regarding menno and A+B - they both have the capability of playing either timeslot, and very well at that - but keep in mind they are both the prime slot times. also menno would be awesome right after sander - would keep the flow going nicely. |
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| batemanscott |
| quote: | Originally posted by xmike
'structure' in a set is great - for earlier in the night. But warm up djs like strangis are put there for a reason. Promotors (try and) structure the night in terms of what style each dj plays, to give the night some flow.
the longer the set, the more of a journey a dj can lead us on. if nichol is given an hour between 4 and 5 - why would you want him to 'warm up'? right after a+b uplifting and "fluffy" trance, it would be wicked to hear a new nichol set. and at the very least give him the opportunity to show those unaware that good trance does come out of australia.
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Whilst i can see where you're going with your comments Mike it's not always about 'warming up' or starting soft and finishing hard when you talk about set progression/structure.
The REALLY good dj's have a way a creating peaks and troughs within a set (like a good tracks uses) to make the whole set flow a lot better, build and sound more varied.
It's about making the really big tunes sound like really, really big tunes. If you just bash out monster after monster then it all becomes the same and those massive tracks just don't have the same impact.
The really magical sets that i have seen over the years are those where it's like you're being teased for parts of it - it's mad but you can feel things building and the anticipation builds and then, out of nowhere, you're being absolutely dominated.
That's what makes trance brilliant and to a large part unique but it's often forgotten with dj's who only start at 10 and finish at 10 with nothing inbetween. ;) |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by batemanscott
Whilst i can see where you're going with your comments Mike it's not always about 'warming up' or starting soft and finishing hard when you talk about set progression/structure.
The REALLY good dj's have a way a creating peaks and troughs within a set (like a good tracks uses) to make the whole set flow a lot better, build and sound more varied.
It's about making the really big tunes sound like really, really big tunes. If you just bash out monster after monster then it all becomes the same and those massive tracks just don't have the same impact.
The really magical sets that i have seen over the years are those where it's like you're being teased for parts of it - it's mad but you can feel things building and the anticipation builds and then, out of nowhere, you're being absolutely dominated.
That's what makes trance brilliant and to a large part unique but it's often forgotten with dj's who only start at 10 and finish at 10 with nothing inbetween. ;) |
But some punters :D like their trance like that. Im much more concerned about track selection than I am about flow when I go to see someone play. I know this makes me a pleb, but so be it! i dont think the "10" tracks stand out more because of a varied set, i just notice that the "5" tracks sucked :D
The whole reason I loved 5am nights was coz you basically got uplifting trance from 10-7 :)
If people wanna be conniseurs and go on and on about set progression that's fine, but I don’t see why DJs are expected to be that much different from any other entertainer that just plays good songs. im sure soups does an awesome warm up set, but man his taste in music sucks like soups. |
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| batemanscott |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
But some punters :D like their trance like that. Im much more concerned about track selection than I am about flow when I go to see someone play. I know this makes me a pleb, but so be it! i dont think the "10" tracks stand out more because of a varied set, i just notice that the "5" tracks sucked :D
The whole reason I loved 5am nights was coz you basically got uplifting trance from 10-7 :)
If people wanna be conniseurs and go on and on about set progression that's fine, but I don’t see why DJs are expected to be that much different from any other entertainer that just plays good songs. im sure soups does an awesome warm up set, but man his taste in music sucks like soups. |
Thats just the thing tho PKC, if it's done properly it should be something where even plebs can't help but get caught up in the set because it justs 'feels' different to the regular stuff they hear even if they don't know why, and it certainly shouldn't be about half the tracks sucking.
It's selecting and using tunes that are more percussive, melodic, vocal, big break downs, small breakdowns etc and actually placing them to create direction, momentum and most importantly - contrast.
It's like when you go see a good action movie, it's not just farking full on from the time the title appears on screen and you start eating ur choc top ice cream, they set up the mad action by building anticipation. :) |
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| mmkoiman |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fpcookie
haha jeez, you're optimistic mate! :p its already the biggest trance lineup that i can remember! |
give me an inch and i'll take a mile.
futures given me a mile so i'm taking a small planet :D they've impressed us with all the hot first release names, they CANT drop the ball now with average second release names! there's gotta be a few on par ones we haven't heard of yet!
| quote: | Originally posted by xmike
menno would be awesome right after sander - would keep the flow going nicely |
heeeeelllls yeeeaaah :D |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by batemanscott
Thats just the thing tho PKC, if it's done properly it should be something where even plebs can't help but get caught up in the set because it justs 'feels' different to the regular stuff they hear even if they don't know why, and it certainly shouldn't be about half the tracks sucking.
It's selecting and using tunes that are more percussive, melodic, vocal, big break downs, small breakdowns etc and actually placing them to create direction, momentum and most importantly - contrast.
It's like when you go see a good action movie, it's not just farking full on from the time the title appears on screen and you start eating ur choc top ice cream, they set up the mad action by building anticipation. :) |
haha, like i said youre a connisseur. I could honestly listen to 140 bpm uplifting trance monsters for hours on end as long as I liked the songs. Indeed when i get wasted on the weekend sometimes I do just that :D I do like to hear some variety, but I'd go for good songs over variety any day. |
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| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by batemanscott
Whilst i can see where you're going with your comments Mike it's not always about 'warming up' or starting soft and finishing hard when you talk about set progression/structure.
The REALLY good dj's have a way a creating peaks and troughs within a set (like a good tracks uses) to make the whole set flow a lot better, build and sound more varied.
It's about making the really big tunes sound like really, really big tunes. If you just bash out monster after monster then it all becomes the same and those massive tracks just don't have the same impact.
The really magical sets that i have seen over the years are those where it's like you're being teased for parts of it - it's mad but you can feel things building and the anticipation builds and then, out of nowhere, you're being absolutely dominated.
That's what makes trance brilliant and to a large part unique but it's often forgotten with dj's who only start at 10 and finish at 10 with nothing inbetween. ;) |
totally agree-- trance is nowhere near as good unless the set has as much flow as the songs themselves.
case in point: bolier @ airport-- set of the night just because he built it so in well... I wasn't expecting much, and when he started with some schossow track, i thout it was merited, but man his set was awesome... built from that into storming tech... in 1 hour... :eyes: |
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