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Bell now 'shaping' everybody's internet (pg. 3)
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| legendary_waz |
| quote: | Originally posted by phlog
haha i usually forget what i was trying to download after the two minute wait for it to become availalbe. |
premium account;) (dirt cheap considering how much I download) |
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| patpicos |
| quote: | Vuze offers help to detect ISP's P2P blockage
Catching net non-neutrality
By Egan Orion: Thursday, 27 March 2008, 2:44 PM
VUZE, the vendor of BitTorrent based file-sharing program Azureus, is offering a plug-in to help users detect whether their Internet service provider is actively interfering with their peer-to-peer (P2P) traffic.
Last year The Associated Press and others caught Comcast secretly disrupting its subscribers' P2P file transfers by sending reset packets to the computers at both ends of connections. The bogus reset packets are apparently generated by equipment made by Sandvine, which other large ISPs in addition to Comcast have reportedly purchased and installed on their networks.
Vuze's Azureus plug-in detects resets and reports them to the user. If the user permits, the plug-in can also send reports back to Vuze, which will collect data about which ISPs are stealthily blocking their customers' P2P file transfers.
There are other ways besides reset packets that ISPs can and do interfere with, err... manage, traffic flowing over their networks, and the Vuze plug-in won't be able to detect those. But those mostly involve slowing traffic, not blocking it.
Vuze, which is based in Palo Alto, California, says that its Azureus software has been downloaded 20 million times and that about 1.3 million people are using it at any one time, on average.
There's a bit more here. |
http://www.physorg.com/news125771443.html |
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| Orko |
The decision means nothing for Net Neutrality (NN). Remember, the theory is that for NN to exist ISPs cannot filter any content, and will not work with any companies to give their services a competitive advantage.
In this case, Comcast is working with BitTorrent Inc. to make sure their protocol works, and is freely distributed. Exactly what NN is trying to fight. Comcast is giving preferential treatment to BitTorrent. What happens to new protocols which come out, and are shaped or slowed down?
It's not all sour grapes. Hopefully this leads to something significant. I doubt Bell will change their policies anytime soon, since they are probably spending millions of dollars putting in shaping technology. It took Comcast 6 months, and a federal inquiry to even think of changing their ways, don't hold your breath for Bell or Rogers. |
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| monishb |
hmm rogers sent me a notice in the mail saying they are alloting only 60gb if i go over i pay 2$/gb which is really a good buisness practice but not beneficial for a customer who uses it for downloading legimatly.
Oh well resellers here i come lol
i just checked out 3 web and acanac they sound the most favourable and even primus. |
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| monishb |
The only way i see to bring corporations on the right path is to do it the right way even though i work for my cell phone company i find their practices sometimes unfair.
anyhow another outlet to lodge complaints in canada
http://www.ccts-cprst.ca/en/page/AboutUs |
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| Surreal JRS |
Interesting... Wonder how they are implementing deep packet inspection (Layer 7 filtering) on their ATM cloud.
Bell owns the physical line and transports the data to the reseller's NNI via ATM PVC(s). |
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| patpicos |
Comcast to Modify Network Practices
By Peter Kaplan, Reuters
2008-03-28
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Comcast to Modify Network Practices
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The FCC's chairman promises to continue investigating whether the cable giant illegally blocks some Internet file-sharing services.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Cable operator Comcast Corp. promised on Thursday to change how it manages its network in response to accusations it blocks some Internet file-sharing services because they require large amounts of bandwidth.
But Comcast's move did not go far enough to satisfy the top U.S. communications regulator. Kevin Martin, chairman of the Federal Communications Commission, vowed to continue investigating the management practices of broadband providers and whether they discriminate against certain applications.
Comcast, which has more than 13 million broadband subscribers, said it would adopt a new technique for managing capacity on its network by the end of 2008. The new practice will not discriminate among different applications.
The cable giant has been accused by consumer groups of blocking some file-sharing services, such as BitTorrent, that distribute TV shows and movies on the Internet.
"This means that we will have to rapidly reconfigure our network management systems, but the outcome will be a traffic management technique that is more appropriate for today's emerging Internet trends," Comcast Chief Technology Officer Tony Werner said in a statement.
Comcast said it planned a "collaborative effort" with BitTorrent and the broader Internet and ISP community to work out a growing dispute over how far Internet service providers should go in managing traffic moving over their networks.
The dispute over so-called "net neutrality" pits open- Internet advocates against some service providers such as Comcast, which say they need to take reasonable steps to manage growing traffic on their networks.
The FCC has been investigating complaints from consumer groups that Comcast blocked some file-sharing services. The issue also has attracted scrutiny from lawmakers in Congress.
Comcast has denied impairing any Internet applications and has said it merely manages the system for the good of all users. But the FCC's Martin said at a March 7 FCC hearing he was disturbed Comcast did not disclose more to customers and application developers about the way it manages network traffic.
Comcast to Modify Network Practices - Tepid Response
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Comcast's announcement on Thursday drew a tepid response from Martin.
The FCC chairman said in a statement he was "pleased that Comcast has reversed course." But he questioned why the company was not moving more quickly to end the practice of blocking some applications.
"While it may take time to implement its preferred new traffic management technique, it is not at all obvious why Comcast couldn't stop its current practice of arbitrarily blocking its broadband customers from using certain applications," Martin said.
The FCC is scheduled to hold another hearing on the issue at Stanford University next month, where Martin said the commissioners would "explore more fully what constitutes reasonable network management practices."
Martin's two fellow Republicans on the five-member commission were more upbeat about the Comcast move, saying a cooperative approach was preferable to government regulation.
"The private sector is the best forum to resolve such disputes," said commissioner Robert McDowell.
But Democratic FCC commissioner Michael Copps agreed with Martin, saying the FCC should continue to pursue the issue. He said Comcast's concessions would not have come without pressure from the FCC.
"I am confident that, through this process, the FCC can come up with clear rules of the road that will benefit American consumers and provide much-needed certainty to both network operators and Internet entrepreneurs," Copps said in a statement.
Source: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Government...work-Practices/ |
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| daves |
| quote: | Originally posted by Surreal JRS
Interesting... Wonder how they are implementing deep packet inspection (Layer 7 filtering) on their ATM cloud.
Bell owns the physical line and transports the data to the reseller's NNI via ATM PVC(s). |
yeah im interested in this as well... some of the customers my department looks after ends up being jumpered onto Bell's ports at the CO 'cause they are very lazy at disconnecting their people even sometimes months after cancellations - so they will potentially end up suffering this as well :whip: |
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| Möbius |
Heavy web downloaders face broadband fees
Matt Hartley, The Globe and Mail, 2008-03-28
Rogers Communications Inc. is gearing up to make Internet use more expensive for consumers who have a penchant for chewing up bandwidth by downloading movies or playing video games online.
The telecommunications giant already regulates the flow of traffic on its networks by giving priority to certain content; however, the changes are part of a blueprint to introduce tiered Internet service plans in June that will not only charge users for a designated connection speed, but also cap how much bandwidth they can use in a month.
Bandwidth hogs who exceed their allotted limits on Rogers's networks will face service-fee penalties of up to $5 a gigabyte, to a maximum of $25 a month.
It was the second time this week that one of Canada's largest Internet service providers proposed sweeping changes to the way thousands of consumers access the Web.
On Tuesday, it was revealed that Bell Canada is rolling out a new strategy that restricts certain types of online traffic on its own networks and those it provides to third-party ISP wholesalers.
As a result, questions are being raised about whether Canada's major service providers are prepared to handle the future of the Internet as bandwidth-gobbling activities such as downloadable videos, Internet television, voice-over Internet telephony and file-sharing go mainstream.
The exploding popularity of online video is causing headaches for ISPs. Much of that traffic is facilitated through peer-to-peer networks and BitTorrent, a file-sharing protocol once synonymous with piracy but which has developed into a legitimate tool for quickly delivering large amounts of digital content.
Just last week, the CBC announced it would be distributing its Canada's Next Great Prime Minister program via BitTorrent.
"The reality of the Internet is that people are using the Internet more and doing more online," said Phil Hartling, vice-president of consumer services for Rogers Cable. "This is simply about customers' ability to exceed their usage allowance and pay for additional usage."
He said the new service fees are similar to those of other ISPs.
Both Rogers and Bell employ "shaping" techniques that slow down some kinds of Internet activity — mostly peer-to-peer and torrent file-sharing traffic transmissions of large files such as videos — and give priority to other data.
Mr. Hartling said Rogers's plans will not change the company's policies regarding traffic management.
The strategy employed by Canadian ISPs is in stark contrast to news yesterday from the United States, where Comcast Corp., the nation's second-largest ISP, bowed to regulatory and consumer pressure and announced it would begin treating all data travelling on its networks equally by the end of 2008.
The issue has boiled over in Ottawa and is now drawing the attention of opposition MPs on Parliament Hill.
Yesterday, Charlie Angus, NDP spokesman for copyright and digital issues, said that the federal Conservatives "can't sit idly by while Bell and other telecommunications giants are allowed to arbitrarily rewire the Internet.
"[Industry Minister] Jim Prentice cannot turn a blind eye while the telecommunication companies decide which lanes of digital traffic will be deliberately filled with potholes," he said in a statement. "Protecting Net neutrality is a fundamental cornerstone in encouraging the development of a true knowledge economy."
University of Ottawa law professor Michael Geist said traffic-shaping raises a crucial competition issue in Canada that the CRTC has largely ignored.
"Many up-and-coming broadcasters and even our own public broadcaster are using the Internet for their own video offerings, and that's competing directly with what … Rogers and Bell are offering, whether through cable or satellite [television services]," he said.
"In Canada we've had virtual silence from our regulator and virtual silence from our political leaders, while the U.S. has used the regulatory muscle to push the parties towards a more open platform."
The practice of traffic-shaping is similar to designating lanes on a highway for a certain kind of traffic, such as high-occupancy vehicles. The ISPs argue that peer-to-peer traffic clogs their networks, slowing down the experience for average users, akin to the way a lumbering tractor-trailer can impede the flow on a highway.
Advocates of the unwritten code of Net Neutrality contend that shaping is undemocratic and that all Internet traffic must be treated equally, and that ISPs should not be allowed restrict the flow of any online data.
Estimates vary, but most analysts agree that peer-to-peer and torrent-based file-sharing programs account for between 70 and 90 per cent of all online bandwidth use, and emanate from as few as 5 to 10 per cent of all users. |
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| TranceGrooves |
WiMAX.
Thats where the fun is these days :) |
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