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| ohbeone |
| quote: | Originally posted by zabrak
this has got to be the most ill-concieved piece of garbage logic I've read all day. Sorry buddy, but every music scholar, critic, magazine, dvd documentary, book, you name it claime the beatles as the most important band in history. I'd love to see you dispute this. Only un-informed people dispute this. |
Oh okay...you're right pardon me. :rolleyes:
every music scholar
Yes I'm sure every single music scholar thinks that. Then the ones that don't think that don't count. I'm sure some would say Elvis was more important than the beatles. Without Elvis...you wouldn't even have the Beatles. Most influential? That's disputable. While vastly popular and successful this does not prove biggest influence or impact on music in general. |
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| zabrak |
| quote: | Originally posted by ohbeone
Oh okay...you're right pardon me. :rolleyes:
every music scholar
Yes I'm sure every single music scholar thinks that. Then the ones that don't think that don't count. I'm sure some would say Elvis was more important than the beatles. Without Elvis...you wouldn't even have the Beatles. Most influential? That's disputable. While vastly popular and successful this does not prove biggest influence or impact no music in general. |
Elvis was a solo rocker. I'm talking bands here. Anyway okay fine look, not EVERY scholar out there but damn near all of them. I can't see how any self-respecting musical scholar would argue otherwise. Most influential? You'd be hardpressed to find a band more influential than the beatles. Ever hear of a somewhat popular band 'Panic at the disco'? Their one of the string of the crappy popular Emo bands out there and their latest album is influenced by the beatles |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| Plenty of musical scholars couldn't give a crap what goes on in pop. |
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| ohbeone |
1. Go to google.
2. Type in "Most influential band in history".
3. Notice there is not one result that pops up for the beatles.
There are only top lists of most influential Bands. And any of that can be disputed. There is no way to measure it.
Not to mention...you have to listen to the beatles to be influenced. What about Led Zeppelin? They have the most played song of all time even though they weren't as vastly popular as the beatles. Of course that gets more into popularity than influence. Anyway, no real point in arguing this, no matter where you go, not everyone will agree that the beatles are most influential. This has nothing to do with self-respecting scholars or people who are informed. It's simply not a fact. A plausible argument? Yes. |
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| zabrak |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Plenty of musical scholars couldn't give a crap what goes on in pop. |
Okay that is definitely true, I have heard A music scholar reference The Beatles when talking about something in some interview regarding classical music. It was a while ago but it was probably talking about how they were probably one of the first bands to incorporate string arrangments and what not in popular music. Yes, sure that's not directly praising The Beatles but it shows that they are/were away of what's going...Although that was referencing something that happened in the 60s. Look eitherway I'm sure music scholars would just give the thumbs up about the beatles being the most important band just to agree with popular consensus. Sure that sounds stupid but I just don't see how they could argue with that.
By the way to show the variety in the beatles work, listen to this song.....It's not even really a 'song'...more lika 'piece'.
By the way to show the variety in the beatles work, listen to this song.....It's not even really a 'song'...more lika 'piece'. Revolution 9: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wCJ9WmX9Zw |
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| sean5 |
| i was just wondering where trance would be if not for 'i want to hold your hand' |
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| Darkarbiter |
| Surely mozart would be the most influential? Even if we are talking popularity here... I mean his stuff has probably been played on the radio more times than the beetles and its still being played (was played lots before radio too). The assumption that the beatles are the most influential (maybe of the 20th century) is purely idiotic. |
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| zabrak |
| quote: | Originally posted by sean5
i was just wondering where trance would be if not for 'i want to hold your hand' |
I'm pretty sure The Beatles starting the looping thing in music. Listen to this drum beat - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVUz...feature=related that drum beat sounds like something you would hear in a Beck song or something. easily 30 years ahead of it's time. Don't with the beatles |
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| zabrak |
| quote: | Originally posted by Darkarbiter
Surely mozart would be the most influential? Even if we are talking popularity here... I mean his stuff has probably been played on the radio more times than the beetles and its still being played (was played lots before radio too). The assumption that the beatles are the most influential (maybe of the 20th century) is purely idiotic. |
no no i'm talking about just BANDS here. |
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by sean5
i was just wondering where trance would be if not for 'i want to hold your hand' |
Without rock 'n'roll? There probably would be no EDM son... |
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| sean5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Darkarbiter
Surely mozart would be the most influential? Even if we are talking popularity here... I mean his stuff has probably been played on the radio more times than the beetles and its still being played (was played lots before radio too). The assumption that the beatles are the most influential (maybe of the 20th century) is purely idiotic. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by zabrak
I'm pretty sure The Beatles starting the looping thing in music. Listen to this drum beat - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVUz...feature=related that drum beat sounds like something you would hear in a Beck song or something. easily 30 years ahead of it's time. Don't with the beatles |
Classical artists were experimenting with loops of all kinds long before the Beatles were even heard of.
"Revolution 9" is just the Beatles assimilating the decades-old musique concrete techniques pioneered by classical artists like Varese and John Cage.
Be very careful when talking about pop-rock outfits as "pioneers," because it's almost certain that they're just taking their cues from people who did the same stuff long before -- usually jazz or classical artists. That's where most of the real experimentation goes on.
Sure, those things were new to pop music, but certainly not to music as a whole. |
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