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Uhh, Americans and Canadians, what the hell is this? (pg. 2)
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by guerra-monstru
Great another American who believes this would be a bad thing. And how so necessarily? The worse thing is that prices in Mexico changed drastically from trade aggreements made by the Americans. So now prices are like in the US without an increase in wages. And the American's think they are suffering:rolleyes: . I believe that we should have a one currency and highway and where we can travel without visas or passports. It would be a good thing for this part of the world. Think of all North America and latin America together. Also we would have more land than Europe but not really people just yet. There is nothing negative to the North American Union other than not including the South. |
I agree. Media and politicians are quick to point out the negative effects these agreement have on specific groups of people in the respective countries. However, politicians rarely point to the overall net positive effects of these agreements. Fewer trade barriers always results in more trade, which translates into more jobs and money. The fact that a particular group's economic situation has not improved doesn't mean that the agreement has not resulted in a net benefit when all groups have been taken into consideration.
We all hear how nafta has shipped american jobs to mexico. Politicians, however, don't tell you that unemployment was higher when NAFTA was signed than it is today.
EDIT: 20+ million jobs created since NAFTA, with the absolute number of unemployed relatively unchanged. |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by guerra-monstru
It's better than researching uncredible sources from the internet and also the believe that you somehow know better from being behind your computer. A NAU would be good for the people. Which Eu nation has gone back into the Middle ages since joining the Union and currency? It has made things easier and those nations more productive and competitive. If you can't stand the ideas of capitalism than I am sorry for you but there is no better system. |
I think it's a shame that people are so eager to discount their own mental faculties that quickly, especially when many of the sources that I've posted were from government archives, from FOIA requests, from investigative journalists, Libertarian politicians (who still believe in FREEDOM), from ex-illuminati insiders such as Professor Carroll Quigley, from ex-gov't insiders such as Paul Craig Roberts, etc.
It think it's just easy for you to make blanket statements like you just did because you're either too lazy or too unmotivated to do any of your own research. Well, either that or you're just another change agent or perhaps just one of their useful idiots who's lacking in common sense.
Hitler was once hailed as a great man and was even awarded Time Magazine's "Man of the Year." That was just before they started to round up and liquidate human beings in their concentration camps.
Looks can be deceiving and I firmly belive that they are with the EU.
So do these people:
UKIP Trevor Colman Britain On The Brink, European Union Conspiracy
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| guerra-monstru |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trancer-X
I think it's a shame that people are so eager to discount their own mental faculties that quickly, especially when many of the sources that I've posted were from government archives, from FOIA requests, from investigative journalists, Libertarian politicians (who still believe in FREEDOM), from ex-illuminati insiders such as Professor Carroll Quigley, from ex-gov't insiders such as Paul Craig Roberts, etc.
It think it's just easy for you to make blanket statements like you just did because you're either too lazy or too unmotivated to do any of your own research. Well, either that or you're just another change agent or perhaps just one of their useful idiots who's lacking in common sense.
Hitler was once hailed as a great man and was even awarded Time Magazine's "Man of the Year." That was just before they started to round up and liquidate human beings in their concentration camps.
Looks can be deceiving and I firmly belive that they are with the EU.
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Was I just insulted two times in one paragraph:conf:
I don't see anything but fear mongers or people who want to be credited or remembered by appealing to the conspiracy theorists. Again, there is nothing wrong with more trade by opening up borders and by introducing more cooperation between people and governments realizing that in order for the new golden age there will have to let go of authority.
Wake up we are in the 21st century and the past will not be repeated again so long as we work together to ensure a one world government with fewer currencies in the world and if we can get one that would be really good. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by guerra-monstru
Was I just insulted two times in one paragraph:conf:
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insults are his tactics. |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by guerra-monstru
Was I just insulted two times in one paragraph:conf:
I don't see anything but fear mongers or people who want to be credited or remembered by appealing to the conspiracy theorists. Again, there is nothing wrong with more trade by opening up borders and by introducing more cooperation between people and governments realizing that in order for the new golden age there will have to let go of authority.
Wake up we are in the 21st century and the past will not be repeated again so long as we work together to ensure a one world government with fewer currencies in the world and if we can get one that would be really good. |
Yeah, my bad. I often react that way when I encounter people who would rather argue from ignorance than listen to and cognize what I have to say.
And if you're that stupid to think that history doesn't repeat itself then I might as well just put you on ignore with the rest of the blathering monkeys. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trancer-X
Yeah, my bad. I often react that way when I encounter people who would rather argue from ignorance than listen to what I have to say.
And if you're that stupid to think that history doesn't repeat itself then I might as well just put you on ignore. |
that's another insult; you are incorrigible! |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
that's another insult; you are incorrigible! |
I just put you on ignore so you won't have to worry about it anymore. ;) |
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| guerra-monstru |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trancer-X
Yeah, my bad. I often react that way when I encounter people who would rather argue from ignorance than listen to and cognize what I have to say.
And if you're that stupid to think that history doesn't repeat itself then I might as well just put you on ignore with the rest of the blathering monkeys. |
I don't know what your speciality is but if your texts are any evidence than there is nothing special about you other than being another mental case for a therapist. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trancer-X
I just put you on ignore so you won't have to worry about it anymore. ;) |
thank you. |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by guerra-monstru
I don't know what your speciality is but if your texts are any evidence than there is nothing special about you other than being another mental case for a therapist. |
My specialty is helping other's breaking free from the same false cognitive construct that you still appear to be trapped in.
My texts are for the most part all encompassing because for as far back as I can remember I've always yearned to know more about EVERYTHING. I have an insatiabe amount of curiousity and I'm always feeding it in one way or another. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
There have been a variety of joint security arrangements between Canada and the US, which progressively came into being after the war of 1812 - by WWI there was a consolidated military industrial complex cooperation - 100 years later. It is nearly 100 years after that point now - as scary as it is to think WWI is almost 100 years ago now, an anceint war.
We all know that by the time of WWII the US had invested in Canadian and British infrastructure projects such as Airfields in Newfoundland, an influence that had a high sentiment towards Newfoundland joining the United States rather than Canada.
Of course NATO and NORAD came about out of the Ashes of WWII ALLIES. NATO nations pledge to consider an attack on one member nation as an attack on all of them, and thus in this respect should any NATO nation be attacked it is as if Canada itself is being attacked, this is not any different if it is the US that is attacked. Bear in mind NATO is also an offensive military organization - that is conducting occupational activities in Afghanistan - or nation building as they like to call it. Although The US is in Iraq with "a Coalition" of nations and not a technically NATO operation even though other NATO countries are involved, and technically if IRAQ were to have defended itself and launched attacks on the US then it would likely bring NATO and the fairy godmother into it.
NORAD itself was more so tied into a joint command with Americans have operational superiority in a cooperative air defence strategy, although the DEW line and missle defence is somewhat shelved and has always been contraversial in Canada - still from Colorado and elsewhere - I was actually at CFB Northbay's museum where they have a museum with various cold war era artifacts, not to mention other items stretching back into WWI and WWII, including a replica Avro Arrow - an aircraft my grandfather worked on as an electrician, and other neat things - I even got to see an authentic WWII Buzzbomb, anyway.. the point was that Canada and the US has been engrained in joint defence initiatives for some time - what has changed is the environment in which the militaries engage in coordinated operations and infrastructure sharing - and the chain of command both civil and military that is followed within their ongoing official operations.
By the nature of the Closeness of Canada and US both could likely easily conduct attacks against one another with general "initial" impunity.
The THREE AMIGO'S CONFERENCES DID get attention and in information I saw in the consolidated report as existed at the time of the Visit to Mr. Fox in Mexico, I beleive, it outlined specific cross border operations for domestic security issues such as WMD and terrorist activities - such as biological and chemical threats within a specific radius of the borders.
Take into account this would only be realizable under Canadian law under the Public Emergencies act, the act that replaced the War Measures act in Canada. At the time of the Quebec Conference of the Three Amigos there was information stating that the US would have a large military presence for policing operations at this conference - with allowance to use force - this was in 2007 I beleive. I actually took steps to contact various government ministers and the Governor General to obtain information about the legality of deploying foreign troops for police operations - in which the I was hard pressed to see how the Canadian Military iself would be taking on police operations without a declaration of the War Measures act - or what is now the Public Emergencies act.
Likewise I raised the Posse Comitatus Act with Americans to gauge their opinion of the use of US forces in Canada in police and riot activities for use against Civil Demonstrators. The most notable response was that they couldn't beleive US tax dollars were being used to poliec Canada and that the Canadian Government must have requested it.
Really this newest agreement is in effect addressing the issues I raised at that time.
However NorthCom has long been involved in Black Ops in Canada if information I have seen is true - although I cannot vouche for its trueness - these blackops involve undercover US officers in Canadian Cities - the trueness of this once again I cannot confirm.
It should be recognized that the KEY Canadian government officials are integrated with US political and academic circles - Harper was head of a binational right wing organization - while Dion was educated in the United States. Undoubtedly both have strong political ties in the US, and would in general be in the US pocket - although not complete lapdogs they likely would share many of the same sympathies of need for emergency situations - as seen by the liberal party at the time of 911, with the coming into effect of laws which create secret superjudicial processes that did not fall under general natinoal security or the national defence acts which includes wartime secrecy clauses.
I can only see this as a proactive step towards transparency - as an open legal process may overstep black ops, or wartime secrecy clauses and allow the involvement of foreign forces to be publically transparent and legal.
Although I consider myself a neutral individual with self recognized sovereign status - I am still concerned for the safety of individuals, specifically protestors who in the past may have just met with brutal police - who are trained for riot control and "legal arrest" processes for riots - and the police do have the legal authority to give orders or deputize other individuals to assist them in arrest - the idea of foreign military forces being sent in - operating outside the authority of the civil police function in civil operations is essentially a military police state - I can only hope that military force without police direction would only be used if martial law under the public emergencies act is declared, where there is a real risk to the the overthrow of the lawful government by use of force by revolutionaries.. although it is hard to see how this would be the case in the case of Canada -as Qubec has been quiet and civil since the FLQ crisis many years ago.
There is no recognizable threat to US or Canadian Security that would see the need of this type of agreement - but of course being prapare and able to act is another matter completely.
I would still be very concerned about the fine details of this type of agreement though from the civil mindset - not so much the emergency mindset as they will do what is required anyway, it is just a matter of whether the public is allowed to know or not. |
Like I said, nothing really new.
We've been buddy-buddy for a long time in the local (NA) military realm :toothless |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Other than making it somewhat official, there's nothing new in this agreement at all...
The only question really is, the process under which this agreement was done. |
Precisely my argument. So how exactly could this have taken place without Congressional approval? Is there precedent for such a treaty without Congress somewhere? |
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