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Sean Bell Verdicts (pg. 3)
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| DJ Eco |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
That describes half of the dance clubs in NYC. |
C'mon, a NARC's job is so much easier and low-risk in a nightclub in Manhattan than some of the places they're embedded within in Queens or Brooklyn or Jersey, get real. We're expecting them to be all-knowing, all-perceptive, and all-sensative human beings when any one of us woulda shot the hell out of someone shady who was driving their car into us. And if the one victim wasn't lying about running away, WHY WAS HE RUNNING?! And the sad part is, he WAS lying... So WHY IS HE LYING?! |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Konijn
if an investigation finds that civil rights were violated |
that's a stretch.
| quote: | Originally posted by Konijn
it means a number of things, not the least of which is the fact that if shot #1 didn't do the job, then shots #2-#50 exponentially increased the chances that bell wasn't walking away from the encounter. |
the point of shooting at someone is to kill them. cops don't shoot to stop people, they shoot to kill people. i don't care what you think you heard, a cop only shoots at you if he intends to kill you. cops certainly don't shoot at people without the intent to kill, if they did that would be foolish because of the high probability that the person would actually die.
if the cop was justified in killing that person it doesn't matter how many bullets it took because the fact of the matter is that the cop was still justified. |
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| DJ Eco |
| quote: | Originally posted by Konijn
had he done that, bell might be alive. |
Had Bell not been an idiot and tried to run over the cop, he also might be alive... I know I'm in the unpopular view of this entire argument, but the buck stops with his own actions. Think about how many drunk and belligerent people the cops arrest per night, and I bet none of them think in their minds it's a good idea to run em over. |
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| Konijn |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
the point of shooting at someone is to kill them. cops don't shoot to stop people, they shoot to kill people. i don't care what you think you heard, a cop only shoots at you if he intends to kill you. this has been told to me by plenty of cops. if the cop was justified in killing that person it doesn't matter how many bullets it took because the fact of the matter is that the cop was still justified. |
i don't think anyone was arguing that a one-shot kill would somehow be more legally mitigating than a fifty-shot kill.
you asked why people are harping on the number '50' when in theory a single bullet may have done its intended job: i explained as best i could what 50 bullets meant in a practical sense (the chances of the intended actually getting killed rose by a factor of 50) and in the context of history and public perception (this has happened before).
beyond that i got nothin' else. |
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| Konijn |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Eco
Had Bell not been an idiot and tried to run over the cop, he also might be alive... I know I'm in the unpopular view of this entire argument, but the buck stops with his own actions. Think about how many drunk and belligerent people the cops arrest per night, and I bet none of them think in their minds it's a good idea to run em over. |
the image of an out-of-control bell rapidly accelerating toward cops is a fiction unsupported by eyewitnesses. he was shot at relatively close range, and reports on the actual movement of the car have ranged from zero to a slight lurch forward during the shooting. there are a more than a few reasons cops are told to avoid shooting at cars. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Konijn
i don't think anyone was arguing that a one-shot kill would somehow be more legally mitigating than a fifty-shot kill.
you asked why people are harping on the number '50' when in theory a single bullet may have done its intended job: i explained as best i could what 50 bullets meant in a practical sense (the chances of the intended actually getting killed rose by a factor of 50) and in the context of history and public perception (this has happened before).
beyond that i got nothin' else. |
fair enough. but my point is that people are focusing on the wrong thing. if it was one shot or thirty it doesn't matter because in order to shoot the cop has to be justified in killing that person. So, to argue that he is more likely to kill someone with 50 shots over 1 shot is irrelevant because the whole point was to kill him. |
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| DJ Eco |
| I'm gunna sit the rest of this discussion out haha... It could get ugly, I know, and I'm already getting man-handled for being a Hillary supporter in the Politics forum on TA, I simply don't have the time to keep either of these discussions going haha... Time to watch SVD, and shutup forever with my opinionated views, which is probably a good idea haha :p |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Eco
I'm gunna sit the rest of this discussion out haha... It could get ugly, I know, and I'm already getting man-handled for being a Hillary supporter in the Politics forum on TA, I simply don't have the time to keep either of these discussions going haha... Time to watch SVD, and shutup forever with my opinionated views, which is probably a good idea haha :p |
You did start the thread that you're being man-handled in, you know. |
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| DJ Eco |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
You did start the thread that you're being man-handled in, you know. |
Yeah I did haha... Although I asked a question as to why Hillary should step down, and I still don't see one reasonable answer. All I see is like a 6-1 tagteam of Obama supporters against my views of Hillary, which I simply don't have time to challenge everyone on every point haha... I simply don't care enough to try and change anyone's mind lol... Just needed clarification as to why Hillary should drop out and nothing seems really reasonable at all. Give Florida and Michigan a revote, and she's right on top of Obama, that's a simple fact. No one seems to be addressing that in there, so no need for me to keep giving them a breath of "common sense" against a barrage of really insignificant poll numbers, simple as that. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Eco
Yeah I did haha... Although I asked a question as to why Hillary should step down, and I still don't see one reasonable answer. All I see is like a 6-1 tagteam of Obama supporters against my views of Hillary, which I simply don't have time to challenge everyone on every point haha... I simply don't care enough to try and change anyone's mind lol... Just needed clarification as to why Hillary should drop out and nothing seems really reasonable at all. Give Florida and Michigan a revote, and she's right on top of Obama, that's a simple fact. No one seems to be addressing that in there, so no need for me to keep giving them a breath of "common sense" against a barrage of really insignificant poll numbers, simple as that. |
i'm also a hillary supporter, and i don't think she should stand down either. the problem is that dean is a douche bag and really fouled up the system by taking the delegates away from michigan and florida, two of the most important states in the country. I don't see how it is damaging, all this crap about Obama and Rev Wright would have come out anyway. to think that the republicans would not find dirt on obama is naive. when either candidate wins the nomination about 45% of the other side will be unhappy either way. Our populace is so anti-Bush, anti-war, anti-republican at the moment i don't think it matters who comes out with the nomination, dems will rally. I just like how obama supporters think it's our democratic duty to rally around obama. |
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| reddog4063 |
| My first thought when this case hit the papers was why would a man about to be married be talking about guns and starting trouble but then I saw their records, every last one of them had gun violations, armed robbery, etc. So you know, maybe they were talking about guns, they seemed to be pretty obsessed with them. No one was complaining when Bell and his thug friends were the ones pointing the guns. Well you know man, you live by the gun you die by the gun. Fact is I'm just a little bit safer today with Sean Bell off the street. |
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| djquick83 |
| Everyones fate in life is just that...their fate. What happened was meant to be and nothing could have changed it or made a difference. At end of the day, thats how his life would have ended. Fair or unfair ? Ehh, thats not for me or anybody on this board to decide. God does things and sometimes unclear to us, but reality is thats how things will go down. No way to change it, just accept it and move on. |
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