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Sean Bell Verdicts (pg. 4)
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by djquick83
Everyones fate in life is just that...their fate. What happened was meant to be and nothing could have changed it or made a difference. At end of the day, thats how his life would have ended. Fair or unfair ? Ehh, thats not for me or anybody on this board to decide. God does things and sometimes unclear to us, but reality is thats how things will go down. No way to change it, just accept it and move on. |
Would you feel the same if you were shot bragging about your biceps and tickets to the gun show?
On a more serious note, fate is non-existent and for you to accept that unarmed individuals deserve to be shot because of it is insulting.
To reddog's comment, my family owns a ton of guns. I talk about shooting sometimes when the conversation leads that way. Granted that I don't have a criminal record, but do I deserve to "die by the gun" if I've used them during my life? More relevantly, do cops deserve to die by the gun because they live by the gun, too? According to your logic, we'd all be safer without cops. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
i'm also a hillary supporter, and i don't think she should stand down either. the problem is that dean is a douche bag and really fouled up the system by taking the delegates away from michigan and florida, two of the most important states in the country. I don't see how it is damaging, all this crap about Obama and Rev Wright would have come out anyway. to think that the republicans would not find dirt on obama is naive. when either candidate wins the nomination about 45% of the other side will be unhappy either way. Our populace is so anti-Bush, anti-war, anti-republican at the moment i don't think it matters who comes out with the nomination, dems will rally. I just like how obama supporters think it's our democratic duty to rally around obama. |
It's not Dean's fault. It's the fault of those two states that disobeyed the directives. The same thing happened in 2004 (with Michigan, nonetheless) and Terry McAuliffe, one of Hillary's campaign members supported removing their delegates if they moved forward. In the end, they didn't.
Here's the text from his own book about the situation:
| quote: | They thought I was bluffing. But it was my responsibility as chairman to take action for the good of the party, and taking away half their delegates was well within my authority. Now all the presidential candidates were upset. They were getting calls from Iowa and New Hampshire asking them to pledge to come to their states no matter what Michigan did, putting the candidates in an impossible position. The whole primary calendar was in danger of spinning out of control. The candidates kept calling me and asking what was happening with the schedule, and I made it clear that I was not going to let Michigan throw the entire process out of whack. Finally I'd had enough and scheduled a meeting in Carl's Senate office for April 2 to settle this once and for all.
As I was escorted into Carl's [Levin] office with my staff, Debbie Dingell and Carl's chief of staff, David Lyles, were already sitting there waiting with Carl. Sparks flew when I sad down with Phil McNamara and Josh Wachs and immediately complained about all the leaks to the press, which led to finger-jabbing and shouting back and forth between various people in the meeting. Soon, Carl and I were going at it.
"I'm going outside the primary window," he told me definitively.
"If I allow you to do that, the whole system collapses," I said. "We will have chaos. I let you make the case to the DNC, and we voted unanimously and you lost."
He kept insisting that they were going to move Michigan up on their own, even though if they did that, they would lose half their delegates. By that point Carl and I were leaning toward each other over a table in the middle of the room, shouting and dropping the occasional expletive.
"You won't deny us seats at the convention," he said.
"Carl, take it to the bank," I said. "They will not get a credential. The closest they'll get to Boston will be watching it on television. I will not let you break this entire nominating process for one state. The rules are the rules. If you want to call my bluff, Carl, you go ahead and do it."
We glared at each other some more, but there was nothing much left to say. I was holding all the cards and Levin knew it.
"Well, that was a good meeting," I told my shell-shocked staff on the way out of Carl's office.
[Source: McAuliffe, Terry. "What A Party!", pp. 324, 325.] |
I just want to point out that if these votes are counted, they will present a precedent that will cause the 2012 primaries to start sometime in 2011, with each state grappling to be the most important and trendsetting (dare I say 2010 :sadgreen: ). This primary has been far too long as it is since candidates shouldn't have to waste 1.5-2 years of their lives, and more importantly, the time they should be spending in their states and in Washington supporting initiatives for the residents of their states. To be honest, as little as I like Hillary, I'm pissed that she's been campaigning for 1.5 years when she should be representing my interests, especially now that she's mathematically unable to win without a major superdelegate revolt. She's out there
I don't agree with Iowa (who pander to the ethanol/corn subsidies that are hurting all of our commodity prices like grain and corn) and New Hampshire always going first, but this isn't the way to do it, by allowing each state to leapfrog the others for importance. What would be more fair is getting the DNC officials to agree to x number of elections on certain dates, then do a lottery.
That said, for this election, stick to the criteria previously agreed upon by all 10-12 original candidates (Hillary included). |
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| djquick83 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
Would you feel the same if you were shot bragging about your biceps and tickets to the gun show?
On a more serious note, fate is non-existent and for you to accept that unarmed individuals deserve to be shot because of it is insulting.
To reddog's comment, my family owns a ton of guns. I talk about shooting sometimes when the conversation leads that way. Granted that I don't have a criminal record, but do I deserve to "die by the gun" if I've used them during my life? More relevantly, do cops deserve to die by the gun because they live by the gun, too? According to your logic, we'd all be safer without cops. |
Who said anything about deserving ? Im not saying he deserved it or didnt deserve it. Im just saying it is what it is and thats how things happened. You guys can have fun debating whether what happened was fair/unfair. |
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| DJ Eco |
| quote: | Originally posted by djquick83
Everyones fate in life is just that...their fate. What happened was meant to be and nothing could have changed it or made a difference. At end of the day, thats how his life would have ended. Fair or unfair ? Ehh, thats not for me or anybody on this board to decide. God does things and sometimes unclear to us, but reality is thats how things will go down. No way to change it, just accept it and move on. |
Uhhh, I don't know about that man, but that's another 40-page discussion to be left for the COR or Politics forums lol.... |
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| ArminD1981 |
| How come people didn't make a big deal a few months back when a stolen BMW suv was pulled over in brooklyn, and when the two cops approached the vehicle they were shot by the 3 african american passengers with no mercy leaving 1 white cop dead and the other seriously injured. shouldnt be this a hate crime as well ? i suppose the lives of the cops are less important than the crooks. |
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| DJ Eco |
| There was a murder of a Dominican kid by a 21 y/o cop in my neighborhood (5 minutes out of Manhattan) like 5 years ago, and he was acquitted. It was barely on the news and Sharpton never paid HIS family. All there is is a collection of pics and flowers outside the family's house. The kid was a regular smartass from around these parts but did nothing serious but annoy the cop, and the cop beat the out of him; he went into coma and then died from the injuries. And in Jersey City and Newark, forget about it... But, god forbid Sharpton crosses the land of oppurtunity (upper-Manhattan) to fight for a cause around here. |
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| AY STAR |
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i dunno if anyone else remembers this but a few weeks after the sean bell shooting there was a fire up in the bronx i think or maybe queens but it was a fire where alot of people who came here from africa and alot of their children died or were left surverly burned and scared for life
alot of diffrent races came out and supported the family to raise funds to help with the funerials and what not
you did not see that fat piece of al sharpton no where to be found
but i bet any amount of money if there was a bunch of white teenagers who were messing around with matches and accidently lit the fire that killed all those people al sharpton would have been all over that like flys on
iam not saying sharpton has to go to every tradgic event
but he just likes to choose the ones that will cause the most controversy and i literlly watch this video 5 times a day just to get off
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WdRYdtENKTw
iam not sayin what the other guy did was correct but its just histerical lol |
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| reddog4063 |
I was merely trying to point out that it was fitting that a few people who were so quick to pull guns on other people finally had the tables turned on them. If you're out there jacking people and being a hardass don't expect my sympathy. I could give less than two s about sean bell to tell you the truth. I'll sleep just fine tonight.
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
To reddog's comment, my family owns a ton of guns. I talk about shooting sometimes when the conversation leads that way. Granted that I don't have a criminal record, but do I deserve to "die by the gun" if I've used them during my life? More relevantly, do cops deserve to die by the gun because they live by the gun, too? According to your logic, we'd all be safer without cops. |
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| bitters |
| quote: | Originally posted by ArminD1981
How come people didn't make a big deal a few months back when a stolen BMW suv was pulled over in brooklyn, and when the two cops approached the vehicle they were shot by the 3 african american passengers with no mercy leaving 1 white cop dead and the other seriously injured. shouldnt be this a hate crime as well ? i suppose the lives of the cops are less important than the crooks. |
cop killers can get the death sentence in NY state. Which is a big deal since NY has a quasi-moratorium. Is that a big enough deal for you? |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by ArminD1981
How come people didn't make a big deal a few months back when a stolen BMW suv was pulled over in brooklyn, and when the two cops approached the vehicle they were shot by the 3 african american passengers with no mercy leaving 1 white cop dead and the other seriously injured. shouldnt be this a hate crime as well ? i suppose the lives of the cops are less important than the crooks. |
Much to Al Sharpton's chagrin, I don't really think that the Bell thing was a racial incident as much as it was a police brutality issue, in its most extreme manifestation. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
It's not Dean's fault. It's the fault of those two states that disobeyed the directives. The same thing happened in 2004 (with Michigan, nonetheless) and Terry McAuliffe, one of Hillary's campaign members supported removing their delegates if they moved forward. In the end, they didn't.
Here's the text from his own book about the situation:
I just want to point out that if these votes are counted, they will present a precedent that will cause the 2012 primaries to start sometime in 2011, with each state grappling to be the most important and trendsetting (dare I say 2010 :sadgreen: ). This primary has been far too long as it is since candidates shouldn't have to waste 1.5-2 years of their lives, and more importantly, the time they should be spending in their states and in Washington supporting initiatives for the residents of their states. To be honest, as little as I like Hillary, I'm pissed that she's been campaigning for 1.5 years when she should be representing my interests, especially now that she's mathematically unable to win without a major superdelegate revolt. She's out there
I don't agree with Iowa (who pander to the ethanol/corn subsidies that are hurting all of our commodity prices like grain and corn) and New Hampshire always going first, but this isn't the way to do it, by allowing each state to leapfrog the others for importance. What would be more fair is getting the DNC officials to agree to x number of elections on certain dates, then do a lottery.
That said, for this election, stick to the criteria previously agreed upon by all 10-12 original candidates (Hillary included). |
they should just hold everything within a compressed schedule. perhaps over 1.5 months. it would be much easier on the country and cheaper in the long run. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
they should just hold everything within a compressed schedule. perhaps over 1.5 months. it would be much easier on the country and cheaper in the long run. |
Yet for some reason, there are still a ton of voters out there who are "undecided." Seriously, how much time do some of these people need? |
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