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Why should Hillary leave the race? (pg. 16)
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| XaNaX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
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She won Indiana so she won't be dropping out, what she will do is hang around long enough to hose Obama. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
And Jer - you're forgetting the delegates won by John Edwards. |
Yeah, nevermind, i just rechecked the cnn election center and they didn't update the delegate counts correctly last night. i have no idea what they are doing on that website. |
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| DJ Eco |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Ugh, the analysts themselves are the problem. Toobin and Brazile are alright, but Lanny Davis is a known idiot and Paul Begala is a known Clinton supporter.
And Jer - you're forgetting the delegates won by John Edwards. |
And Brazile isn't a known Obama supporter? lol While I am coming closer to agreement that maybe it's time to leave, the above statement just shows the ridiculousness of "analysts" and the idea of them. If they're saying what you want to hear, they're alright. If they give any inkling of disagreement, they're Clinton supporters. |
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| DJ Eco |
The people at Kos sound like overexcited and whiney college boys with Hope and Change tattooed on each asscheek. While I am totally open to reading opinions that differ from mine, that entire website annoys me. Replace the word "Obama" with "Lindsay Lohan" and "delegates" with "gossip" and it looks like a god-damn Perez Hilton page. I've never seen a bigger bunch of fanboys. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Eco
The people at Kos sound like overexcited and whiney college boys with Hope and Change tattooed on each asscheek. While I am totally open to reading opinions that differ from mine, that entire website annoys me. Replace the word "Obama" with "Lindsay Lohan" and "delegates" with "gossip" and it looks like a god-damn Perez Hilton page. I've never seen a bigger bunch of fanboys. |
haha....i love the comparison. |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Queue the latest FAIL pic. |
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| NeoPhono |
It's sad to see her going down in "bitter" flames and possibly taking the Democratic party's chances of president with her.
From what I've seen, to just tie Obama at this point, she'd have to win each remaining state by a 10% margin and get 75% of the super delegates...both of which are virtually impossible. She may be past the point of a graceful exit, but she's now writing herself a horrific history that may become what she is most remembered for. |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | McGovern, former Clinton backer, urges her to drop out
By DENNIS GALE – 2 hours ago
SIOUX FALLS, S.D. (AP) — Former Sen. George McGovern, who backed Hillary Rodham Clinton, is urging her to drop out of the Democratic presidential race.
McGovern said Wednesday he has decided to endorse Barack Obama.
After watching the returns from the North Carolina and Indiana primaries Tuesday night, McGovern says it's virtually impossible for Clinton to win the nomination.
McGovern says he is calling former President Clinton to tell him of the decision and adds that he remains close friends with the Clintons.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5...nwaa5AD90GS75G0
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Hillary Clinton's struggle to keep her campaign alive is being made tougher by a drying up of donors, forcing her to lend herself $6.4m (£3.2m).
Her poor showing in Tuesday's primaries - losing badly in North Carolina and winning narrowly in Indiana - will make it even harder to attract donors for what many will regard as a doomed campaign.
She has been unable to compete with rival Barack Obama in terms of funding since last year and had to lend her campaign $5m in February. Although her campaign team claimed she raised $10m in 24 hours after winning Pennsylvania last month - sceptics are waiting to see the accounts - her campaign has been running with large debts.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/200...08.barackobama1
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She is not leaving anytime soon and by doing so..... will destroy any hope of getting out of this current state this country is in....
my name is lazfx and I approve this message. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Eco
The people at Kos sound like overexcited and whiney college boys with Hope and Change tattooed on each asscheek. While I am totally open to reading opinions that differ from mine, that entire website annoys me. Replace the word "Obama" with "Lindsay Lohan" and "delegates" with "gossip" and it looks like a god-damn Perez Hilton page. I've never seen a bigger bunch of fanboys. |
Replace "Obama" with "Clinton" and it's what they were writing two months ago. |
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| LazFX |
hillary clinton: the psycho ex-girlfriend of the democratic party
As many of you know, I'm an enthusiastic Barack Obama supporter. I have never been so excited or inspired by a candidate -- or, really, any leader -- in my life, and I view this election as an historical opportunity -- maybe even a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity -- to not only save my country from the disaster wrought by Bush and Cheney, but fundamentally change how my government interacts with the rest of the world, and how it works for me and my fellow Americans.
Knowing all of that, I'm sure it will come as no surprise that over the last 10 weeks or so, I've gone from respecting to feeling sorry for to actively despising Hillary Clinton.
It's over. She knows it's over. It's been over for almost three months, but she's been moving the goalposts and cynically and cravenly pandering to voters in a way that's not only insulting, but is embarrassing. John Cole frequently says that he can't believe he ever supported Bush, and I can now join him in saying that I can't believe I ever supported, defended and believed in the Clintons.
The thing about all of this is that, with a Clinton victory in the primary about as likely as jumping off the roof of your house and landing on the moon, it's become clear that this whole thing isn't about Democrats or beating McCain (who is inexplicably running for Bush's third term) or saving our country from the catastrophic failure of the Bush years. No, it's all about her. It's about her ego. It's about refusing to admit that she did her best, but voters (except those encouraged by Rush Limbaugh to cross party lines and with our primary) have pretty clearly said "No thanks. You're a good senator, but we want something different now."
It's been crystal clear for weeks, yet she refuses to put party and country over personal ambition and drop out of the race, forcing Barack Obama to not only run against McCain and the Media, but also against her. It's particularly galling, because she can only win if her campaign can force Democratic superdelegates (one of the worst creations in the history of politics) to tell millions of Democratic voters -- many of them first time voters who, like me, finally feel truly inspired by someone -- to go themselves.
It's driving me crazy, and I hope that someone sits her down with a calculator so she'll make this primary that is just strengthening McCain -- who, I feel obligated to point out again, is running for Bush's third term. That would be George W. Bush, the most universally hated president in American history.
At times like these, when it would be easy to despair, I find comfort in humor, like this post I saw on Reddit this morning: Hillary Clinton: The Psycho Ex-Girlfriend of the Democratic Party.
It's 2:31 AM. The Democratic Party is sleeping peacefully when it hears its phone buzz on the night stand. It rolls over and sees "Hillary" on the caller ID. It pauses briefly, considering pushing "END" and not dealing with this tonight. The thought is appealing but the Democratic Party knows that if it doesn't take this call, another one is only minutes away.
DEMS: ...Hello?
Hillary: Hey baby.
DEMS: C'mon Hillary. Enough with this.
Hillary: Don't you get it? You NEED me.
DEMS: No, I don't. It was fun while it lasted but I'm with Barack now. I made my choice, it's done.
Hillary: You can't really mean that. How can you say that after all the good times we had?
DEMS: To be honest, I started hanging out with you because Bill's pretty awesome.
Hillary: But I'm just like Bill!
DEMS: No, you're not. Bill is charismatic, inspiring, and gets me really good weed.
Hillary: you. You're elitist!
DEMS: I'm going back to sleep.
I hope that, after the crushing defeat in North Carolina and few thousand vote "victory" in Indiana, the undeclared superdelegates (again, the absolute worst idea in the history of politics) will respect the will of the people and commit to Obama, so we can all focus on introducing the real John McCain -- not a Maverick, not a nice guy, not an honest guy, not a regular guy, not substantially different from George W. Bush in any meaningful way -- to the American people.
And allow me to just head something off right now that's already come up on Twitter: I'm not sexist. This isn't sexist. That's a stupid straw man, and if you try to make that claim, I will point and laugh at you.
http://wilwheaton.typepad.com/wwdnb...ry-clinton.html |
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| Zild |
McCain isn't going to win.
We have been giving the world 'bad cop' president for almost longer than they are willing to take, so now it is time for a 'good cop' president to come into the room and ease the fears of the world. But if you think there will be any fundamental changes from this you are sadly mistaken and quite full of hot air. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by LazFX
No, it's all about her. It's about her ego. It's about refusing to admit that she did her best, but voters (except those encouraged by Rush Limbaugh to cross party lines and with our primary) have pretty clearly said "No thanks. You're a good senator, but we want something different now." |
stfu already! the primary and election are really just an interview for a really prestigious job. if you wanted, and had a chance, even a remote chance, at getting the job you wanted more than anything, wouldn't you continue until someone said NO with absolute certainty? If you say no, you're full of . Just because this is a presidency doesn't mean hillary should stop thinking about what she wants. I don't know what's up with you people and the party. the party! our party system is flawed and actually makes it more difficult for qualified people to become politicians because they don't want to deal with the bureaucratic bull inherent in the party system. On top of that, hillary doesn't owe any duty to dissenters like yourself.
Of course it's ego driven. for every single candidate it is ego driven. if you think obama isn't doing this because he wants to be president for his personal reasons your naive to the n(th) degree.
while i don't think she should continue you people need to stop bitching. it isn't all about a party. if obama can't win in the general election despite hillary dragging this out then obama isn't the better candidate. if obama has dirt that is getting out b/c of hillary, it will surely get out by way of McCain. If people are pursuaded not to vote obama because of this, then (i) obama has flaws, or (ii) they probably weren't going to support him anyway. while he will be my choice also, unfortunately, 200+ million other people also have a say. |
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