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Horror in a cellar... (pg. 4)
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| sufee_b |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jem_hadar
Jews follow the old testament!
Who else? |
yup...Josef Fritzl and has 3 stars of David on the wall in one of the pics..only practiced by a small minority of course but this sicko decided to follow it. |
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| afterhrsgurl |
wow major mental issues...how could he want to do anything sexual to his own daughter..that is sooo sick
This made me think of another recent story: "A SOUTH Australian father and daughter have revealed they are a couple, and have had a child together" :wtf:
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegra...5001028,00.html |
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| DiskoBiskit |
Didnt some Austrian weird guy advertise on the internet for someone he could eat? He lured him to his home, cut his victims dick off and fed it to him and watched him die?
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Hitler - Austrian born.
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| tatgirl |
| quote: | Originally posted by sufee_b
yup...Josef Fritzl and has 3 stars of David on the wall in one of the pics..only practiced by a small minority of course but this sicko decided to follow it. |
| quote: | | I believe according to certain people who strictly follow the Old Testament this does not seem all that bad to them because of certain "Mitzvahs" it falls under. |
What mitzvah's are you talking about, exactly? This has nothing to do with Jewish good deeds, nor would you find anyone in any faith that wouldn't think this situation is deplorable.
So because his name is Josef (I can name you plenty of people with biblical names that arent Jewish) & there are three 6-pointed stars on a wall in the cellar (that the kids drew, obviously), you assume he is Jewish? My neighbor has one hanging in their window, I've seen another wear a necklace in town. I guarantee you they are all Catholic, and just like the shape of it.
Do you get your facts from this winner, and the few online bloggers coming to the same conclusion over some kids arts and crafts work?
http://thejewishconspiracyexposed.w...ewish-swindler/
Or maybe its really you who wrote it? Wouldnt be too surprised... |
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| Stilez |
Everytime I hear stories like these I think of that movie called Kiss The Girls, with Morgan Freeman and Ashley Judd.
Can you imagine how many people, in the world, must be locked up somewhere in some dungeon or cellar screaming for help. :( |
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| Kamka |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
Your argument here is that it's better being dead than alive and suffering (Overlooking the many, many people whose death wasn't as quick & easy as you made it out to be - the millions upon millions of those who suffered oppression, genocide, torture, etc their entire lives). But even the girl in question here didn't believe that, or else she would have killed herself in the 24 years she was imprisoned. So you go on right ahead and tell all those who DIDN'T have a choice in being alive or dead, that being dead is better than being alive and suffering. |
Maybe she tried but didn't manage; maybe she didn't want to kill herself cause she was hoping to get out of there sooner; maybe because she was hoping the truth would come out one day.
As the story goes, he forced her to write a letter to her parents asking them not to look for her. Her concocted a story up about her joining some sect or cult. If she killed herself, he would have instigated a scene where her dead body would be found and he'd claim that she was killed by those cult members. Or, maybe he would just go and bury her deep in some unkept forest somewhere behind God's back and she'd never be found, and be still listed as missing, perhaps presumed dead (and no one would ever know the truth of what happenned). Maybe that's why she didn't kill herself. Maybe she wanted to stay alive for the children that she had later. There are a number of possible explanations...
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I didn't call you ignorant; stop latching onto words without looking at the whole sentence. I said "playing ignorant" aka "you're not ignorant of all the things I mentioned, just pretending to be". And this is why I call it a media-hype: because people have a stellar tendency not to remember the horrible things that happened a few months ago, let alone years or decades. And my point was that we're all shocked about it NOW precisely because we forgot how shocked we were about the last media-hype a few months ago. But if we take time to remember the waterboarding scandal, or just dig a little further back in history, then the shock factor subsides, and all we have is a handful of people who suffered for 20-odd years. Like that's never happened before.
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For me, when I say that it makes me sick, it really makes me sick. This makes me feel far worse than anything I've read in quite a while. I mean really sick, like I feel sick to my stomach, I feel like puking... almost physically ill. And I couldn't stop thinking about it ever since I first tripped onto this story late evening in the Sunday Star... seriously, it has not gone off my mind then. And I don't get so horrified like this with every "media-hype" story... for example, the case of Natasha Kampusch didn't bother me so much, probably because I was not paying attention to it at all in the beginning (I didn't even know what it was about in the beginning because I didn't watch the news or read the papers, I only heard references to the case without knowing the details of the story), but then also, when I heard more of the details in Natasha's story, I didn't think it was so horrific as some of the others I've heard about. Granted, it must have been extremely hard and frightening for her and she must have felt extremely desparate, but there are a number of differences to her story. First of all, she was kidnapped and forcibly confined by a complete stranger. Not a member of her own family. Being able to have the knowledge that somewhere out there are your parents and family members who love you and are searching for you must have been at least a bit consoling. Much different than this case, where a daughter was imprisoned by her own devilish father (who apparently planned it all out well in advance, it wasn't some chance act of kidnapping like with Natasha). Secondly, I'm not sure I remember this correctly, but I thought I'd read somewhere that Natasha claimed that she wasn't sexually abused by the guy who was imprisoning her (correct me if I'm wrong). I don't know if he abused her in other ways, like if he was beating her, but at least she didn't have to suffer through being raped....(??). And also, I've heard that he actually did school her, so even though she didn't attend school at all after being kidnapped, when she was finally free, she was supposedly not behind her age-peers in education (again, correct me if I'm wrong). And lastly, Natasha was imprisoned for a shorter period of time than this woman, and I've heard that later on, her kidnapper did actually allow her to go upstairs and even took her outside (???), so she was not prevented completely from seeing sunlight. Now, I'm not writing this to suggest that her ordeal was easy; not by a longshot. I'm just trying to point out that to me personally, it seems not as horrendous as this case is. Even though Natasha's case is still shocking and terrible.
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And how is it a failure of society? People do ed-up . That's a failure of those people, not society. How was society supposed to have prevented this from ever happening?
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Because society (specifically those social offices which registered the "abandoned by their mother and suddenly found" children) should have done more investigation into the matter. It is already suspisious that the daugher was missing (supposedly in a cult) but she would have just dumped three of her infant kids on her parents' doorstep...? You know that when a person becomes a member of some uncanny cult, they usually don't allow their members to escape or leave easily after a certain period of time (when the members become really ingrained in it). Therefore, if the leaders of the cult don't let an adult person escape, why would they allow that same person to dump their child somewhere where you suspect it would be well taken care of? It doesn't make sense. (See the Jonestown case, they even killed the little children in their mass "suicide"). The police should have also investigated that letter, which Elisabeth supposedly wrote a month after her disappearance, in which she asked her parents not to look for her. In reality, the father forced her to write it, or he wrote it himself maybe (I don't know). The police should have investigated the parents and kept investigating them later (when the children suddenly started appearing), just like they did in the case of Cecilia Zhang (after she went missing, as part of the investigation the police also checked her parents and declared them as "not suspects" a few weeks after the case was first broadcast by the media).
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Anyway, I'm going to step out of this thread and let the vaginas in here bleed it out. Guaranteed one month from now no one will remember this. I remember all the crying that was going on about the last time this happened (2006), and now it's just a passing remark, "oh yeah, THAT girl". |
Again, you don't need to insult someone just because they have a different feel about the matter than you do. I find this case extremely brutal and hard to deal with psychologically, ok you don't. And I'm not pretending; believe me, I wish I could stop feeling like . I remember there was another case which I read about in a psychology book some years ago, with a similar story - a woman being kidnapped and helf forcibly for seven years by some brutal rapist and his wife, who abused her brutally all that time. And after I read it, I also felt so horrified, and that time it wasn't a media hype, I just read about it in a book. Maybe you should accept that people are different and what is not distressing to you might quite well be distressing to another person? |
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| sufee_b |
| quote: | Originally posted by tatgirl
What mitzvah's are you talking about, exactly? This has nothing to do with Jewish good deeds, nor would you find anyone in any faith that wouldn't think this situation is deplorable.
So because his name is Josef (I can name you plenty of people with biblical names that arent Jewish) & there are three 6-pointed stars on a wall in the cellar (that the kids drew, obviously), you assume he is Jewish? My neighbor has one hanging in their window, I've seen another wear a necklace in town. I guarantee you they are all Catholic, and just like the shape of it.
Do you get your facts from this winner, and the few online bloggers coming to the same conclusion over some kids arts and crafts work?
http://thejewishconspiracyexposed.w...ewish-swindler/
Or maybe its really you who wrote it? Wouldnt be too surprised... |
LOL I do not understand why you are taking this personally. He is Jewish 100%, no doubt but has nothing to do with the real jewish faith by his actions. Sorry, I thought Mitzvah meant rituals? Well that is what I meant. It's well known, no secret, it was practiced by some, very few Jews way back. Check your Torah and Talmud, they were considered outcasts. this ritual, along with many other perverted ones are practiced by these sickos and outcats, Josef Fritzl is not the only one. By denying this and over reacting in the manner you did, I'm sure you have not studied it. Again, there is no reason to take this personally whether you are Jewish or not. All I ws saying this one of the yahoos who decided to dig up this ritual and follow it for some reason. |
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| English Rachel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kamka
Maybe she tried but didn't manage; maybe she didn't want to kill herself cause she was hoping to get out of there sooner; maybe because she was hoping the truth would come out one day.
As the story goes, he forced her to write a letter to her parents asking them not to look for her. Her concocted a story up about her joining some sect or cult. If she killed herself, he would have instigated a scene where her dead body would be found and he'd claim that she was killed by those cult members. Or, maybe he would just go and bury her deep in some unkept forest somewhere behind God's back and she'd never be found, and be still listed as missing, perhaps presumed dead (and no one would ever know the truth of what happenned). Maybe that's why she didn't kill herself. Maybe she wanted to stay alive for the children that she had later. There are a number of possible explanations...
For me, when I say that it makes me sick, it really makes me sick. This makes me feel far worse than anything I've read in quite a while. I mean really sick, like I feel sick to my stomach, I feel like puking... almost physically ill. And I couldn't stop thinking about it ever since I first tripped onto this story late evening in the Sunday Star... seriously, it has not gone off my mind then. And I don't get so horrified like this with every "media-hype" story... for example, the case of Natasha Kampusch didn't bother me so much, probably because I was not paying attention to it at all in the beginning (I didn't even know what it was about in the beginning because I didn't watch the news or read the papers, I only heard references to the case without knowing the details of the story), but then also, when I heard more of the details in Natasha's story, I didn't think it was so horrific as some of the others I've heard about. Granted, it must have been extremely hard and frightening for her and she must have felt extremely desparate, but there are a number of differences to her story. First of all, she was kidnapped and forcibly confined by a complete stranger. Not a member of her own family. Being able to have the knowledge that somewhere out there are your parents and family members who love you and are searching for you must have been at least a bit consoling. Much different than this case, where a daughter was imprisoned by her own devilish father (who apparently planned it all out well in advance, it wasn't some chance act of kidnapping like with Natasha). Secondly, I'm not sure I remember this correctly, but I thought I'd read somewhere that Natasha claimed that she wasn't sexually abused by the guy who was imprisoning her (correct me if I'm wrong). I don't know if he abused her in other ways, like if he was beating her, but at least she didn't have to suffer through being raped....(??). And also, I've heard that he actually did school her, so even though she didn't attend school at all after being kidnapped, when she was finally free, she was supposedly not behind her age-peers in education (again, correct me if I'm wrong). And lastly, Natasha was imprisoned for a shorter period of time than this woman, and I've heard that later on, her kidnapper did actually allow her to go upstairs and even took her outside (???), so she was not prevented completely from seeing sunlight. Now, I'm not writing this to suggest that her ordeal was easy; not by a longshot. I'm just trying to point out that to me personally, it seems not as horrendous as this case is. Even though Natasha's case is still shocking and terrible.
Because society (specifically those social offices which registered the "abandoned by their mother and suddenly found" children) should have done more investigation into the matter. It is already suspisious that the daugher was missing (supposedly in a cult) but she would have just dumped three of her infant kids on her parents' doorstep...? You know that when a person becomes a member of some uncanny cult, they usually don't allow their members to escape or leave easily after a certain period of time (when the members become really ingrained in it). Therefore, if the leaders of the cult don't let an adult person escape, why would they allow that same person to dump their child somewhere where you suspect it would be well taken care of? It doesn't make sense. (See the Jonestown case, they even killed the little children in their mass "suicide"). The police should have also investigated that letter, which Elisabeth supposedly wrote a month after her disappearance, in which she asked her parents not to look for her. In reality, the father forced her to write it, or he wrote it himself maybe (I don't know). The police should have investigated the parents and kept investigating them later (when the children suddenly started appearing), just like they did in the case of Cecilia Zhang (after she went missing, as part of the investigation the police also checked her parents and declared them as "not suspects" a few weeks after the case was first broadcast by the media).
Again, you don't need to insult someone just because they have a different feel about the matter than you do. I find this case extremely brutal and hard to deal with psychologically, ok you don't. And I'm not pretending; believe me, I wish I could stop feeling like . I remember there was another case which I read about in a psychology book some years ago, with a similar story - a woman being kidnapped and helf forcibly for seven years by some brutal rapist and his wife, who abused her brutally all that time. And after I read it, I also felt so horrified, and that time it wasn't a media hype, I just read about it in a book. Maybe you should accept that people are different and what is not distressing to you might quite well be distressing to another person? |
If I had the time to type all that, I may say something very similar.
This topic is banned in my office (by me) because it makes me not want to share the planet I live on with such monsters.
There are certian atrocities that make you sad, certain ones that make you angry, certain ones that make you ashamed to be human and certain ones that make you sick.... This one is all of these to me and I have to stay well away from any media about it. |
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| tatgirl |
| quote: | Originally posted by sufee_b
LOL I do not understand why you are taking this personally. He is Jewish 100%, no doubt but has nothing to do with the real jewish faith by his actions. Sorry, I thought Mitzvah meant rituals? Well that is what I meant. It's well known, no secret, it was practiced by some, very few Jews way back. Check your Torah and Talmud, they were considered outcasts. this ritual, along with many other perverted ones are practiced by these sickos and outcats, Josef Fritzl is not the only one. By denying this and over reacting in the manner you did, I'm sure you have not studied it. Again, there is no reason to take this personally whether you are Jewish or not. All I ws saying this one of the yahoos who decided to dig up this ritual and follow it for some reason. |
A mitzvah is a commandment from God, and/or good deed/ act of kindness. Again, what 'Jewish ritual' are you talking about, and where do you get your facts that he was Jewish? Show us PROOF from a reputable news report- there is nothing on the internet what-so-ever except deranged posts from jew-haters who are jumping all over this simply on the basis of some kid's artwork on the wall who state the 'Jewish run media' are hiding this fact, lol. To even come to the conclusion that he is part of religious fringe, and doing this based on some ancient mystery Jewish 'ritual' is preposterous. Homosexuality occurred in biblical times, does that mean that the gays of today are practicing some 'fringe ancient ritual' too? No, they're just gay. Just like there was rape, murder, incest, etc... through the history of man, it has NOTHING to do with anyone's religion. There are f*cked up sick people in every race, religion, and nationality. He's a sick, incestuous bastard plain and simple, and it has nothing to do with what his religion is, or some wild imagined theory that he's resurrecting an 'ancient jewish ritual'.
But it is no secret that you are a Jew hater, by your posts online over the years, so dont be annoyed when I call you out on it. Pathetic that your first comment on the matter was, and you were quick to point out- 'look at this sick Jewish , practicing an ancient ritual', as if anyone's religion has any relevance to this sick act. With all the pedophiles we see arrested in the news on a daily basis, do you comment on their religions too? No, because 99% of them are not Jewish. If he was Baptist/ 7th day Adventist/ Protestant, etc... you wouldnt way a word. Find one suspected Jew, and you're ALL over it, and jumping at the chance to point it out.
And seriously- think about it- he's 73 yrs old, and from Austria, Hitler's homeland. Do you really think he A) would've escaped the Holocaust, and B) would've returned to the place that sent them off for slaughter?
To quote someone with some knowledge of the Fritzl name:
"He is a Roman Catholic and the family name Fritzl is absolutely and categorically not a Jewish name; in fact it comes from a Bishop no less: the Germanic personal of FRITZL is composed of the elements FRID (peace) and RIC (power) and the name has spread the world in its various forms of spelling. The name was borne by a canonized 9th century bishop of Utrecht, and was a hereditary name among the Hohrnstaufen ruling family; hence its popularity in central Europe.
Suck on that haters." |
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| sufee_b |
| quote: | Originally posted by tatgirl
But it is no secret that you are a Jew hater,
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAH...and that is where I stopped reading because you made yourself look BAD. My girlfriend is Jewish FYI. |
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| tatgirl |
| quote: | Originally posted by sufee_b
AHAHAHAHAHAHAH...and that is where I stopped reading because you made yourself look DUMB. My girlfriend is Jewish FYI. |
Quite surprised to hear this news (if it is true), as your posts over the years would never lead me to believe you'd even associate with one.
Again, still waiting for your 'source', facts about this 'ritual', and explanation as to why you were so quick to point out this 'fact' that he's Jewish. |
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| sufee_b |
| quote: | Originally posted by tatgirl
Quite surprised to hear this news (if it is true), as your posts over the years would never lead me to believe you'd even associate with one.
Again, still waiting for your 'source', facts about this 'ritual', and explanation as to why you were so quick to point out this 'fact' that he's Jewish. |
LOL. That is exactly why you shouldn't judge people, especially when you don't know them! Just because I made those statements has nothing to do with Jews, etc. Just a statement about a random sicko. My point was the sicko chose to follow the act, perhaps because of religious extremism/cult like practices. I've attended many Jewish events with her. And even if/when I do criticize an illegal act of Israel, etc., it's usually when the majority of Jews do as well because they have done something wrong. But to automatically assume that is hating Jews?? That is just silly. No doubt I like many are very much opposed to zionism, but then again that is not the same as Judaism, not even close, as there are many many Jews themsleves who hate zionism...including my gf. |
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