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Rwanda-1994, 800,000 killed. Why/how did this happend? (pg. 2)
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| RickyM |
| quote: | Originally posted by nchs09
The name of the main actor... me can he act! He is good in pretty much everything. |
Don Cheadle, yeah he was excellent in that film, the accent seemed bloody hard to pull off too. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by RickyM
Don Cheadle, yeah he was excellent in that film, the accent seemed bloody hard to pull off too. |
He actually wrote a book about Darfur with John Prendergast. Haven't read it yet, but hear good things. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
well, (taken with some salt) clinton reckons that he didn't know the extent of what was happening until it was already too late.
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http://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/NSAE...BB117/index.htm
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cor version of the NSA Brief:
"Departments, agencies and military organizations of the U.S. government provided necessary information up to policymakers for their discussions and decisions during the Rwanda crisis. Although stated policy was that Rwanda did not affect traditional vital or national interests before or even during the genocide, considerable resources were nevertheless available and employed to ensure that policymakers had real-time information for any decision they would make. In sum, the routine-let alone crisis-performance of diplomats, intelligence officers and systems, and military and defense personnel yielded enough information for policy recommendations and decisions. That the Clinton Administration decided against intervention at any level was not for lack of knowledge of what was happening in Rwanda." |
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| woscar99 |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
clinton says that his failure to act in rwanda was the biggest failure of his presidency. |
Yeah, right next to jizzing in Monica Lewinski's dress... (sorry, couldn't help it) :(
Anyways, I recommend that you watch 'Hotel Rwanda'. It's a great movie set during the Rwandan genocide, it's kinda like an African version of 'Schindler's List'. It's one of the movies that has touched me the most.
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| RickyM |
| quote: | Originally posted by chimera66
what's even more unfortunate is that some people just have no idea what's going on |
Whats even more unfortunate than that is that people did know what was going on. Sadly the fact that it was an African country may have been a factor towards the general indifference by the West. One line by Colonel Oliver in Hotel Rwanda explains it perfectly:
"We [referring to the West] think you're dirt Paul...you're not even a Nigger...you're an African." |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by woscar99
Yeah, right next to jizzing in Monica Lewinski's dress... (sorry, couldn't help it) :(
Anyways, I recommend that you watch 'Hotel Rwanda'. It's a great movie set during the Rwandan genocide, it's kinda like an African version of 'Schindler's List'. It's one of the movies that has touched me the most.
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I got to spend an entire day with the man that movie is about. One of the most humbling experiences of my life. |
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| RickyM |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
I got to spend an entire day with the man that movie is about. One of the most humbling experiences of my life. |
Cool, how did that happen? |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by RickyM
Cool, how did that happen? |
He came to my college campus and I got to be the university liaison. :) |
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| Alex |
It's interesting to note that most rich countries (well, the seven richest anyhow) never seem to leap into action whenever it's a major issue in Africa.
I've always wondered why, I read different books and what not with different explanations, some to do with racism, some that make the point of "what's in it for us?" but for the life of me I can't figure out why for any one reason why we don't try to "police" Africa quite the same way as we do the middle east/eastern europe etc.
I also can't help but feel that a large NATO presence in the worst parts of Africa would help, as the militias and militants the US + EU would be fighting would be vastly inferior to the well organized and well funded Taliban or Al Qaeda.
Not to say the African equivalents aren't funded or equipped at all, but they would probably lose a lot sooner, especially with help from the AU. Or maybe I'm wrong, who knows.
Maybe the real reason why we can't seem to turn most of Africa around is because it's just too huge a task to even fathom? |
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| nchs09 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
He came to my college campus and I got to be the university liaison. :) |
My dad went to a meeting they had with him here in atlanta for promotion for the movie. He said to hear the story from the man himself was amazing. |
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| noikeee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alex
It's interesting to note that most rich countries (well, the seven richest anyhow) never seem to leap into action whenever it's a major issue in Africa.
I've always wondered why, I read different books and what not with different explanations, some to do with racism, some that make the point of "what's in it for us?" but for the life of me I can't figure out why for any one reason why we don't try to "police" Africa quite the same way as we do the middle east/eastern europe etc.
I also can't help but feel that a large NATO presence in the worst parts of Africa would help, as the militias and militants the US + EU would be fighting would be vastly inferior to the well organized and well funded Taliban or Al Qaeda.
Not to say the African equivalents aren't funded or equipped at all, but they would probably lose a lot sooner, especially with help from the AU. Or maybe I'm wrong, who knows.
Maybe the real reason why we can't seem to turn most of Africa around is because it's just too huge a task to even fathom? |
You're raising a good point there.
A cynical would say maybe this is because of the lack of resources Africa has to offer, compared to Iraq, for example. |
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| chimera66 |
| quote: | Originally posted by nchs09
Not in those numbers, but genocide still is happening in regions of Africa. Obviously not in those numbers. |
try kenya at the beginning of the year. kikuyus were being burnt in churches and driven away from their homes. odinga and kibaki are in power so the fighting has stopped a bit but to pay their damn cabinet they have taken funds away from the displaced families...genoicde definitely happens to a lesser extent |
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