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Environmental Awareness - Energy Saving In the USA (pg. 3)
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
I guess I should've phrased it better. They've succeeded in getting people taking the initiative to do what they perceive is better for the environment. I'm not saying that "green" ideas are good, just that it's good that people are actually doing what is (perceived to be) good. |
I agree that it is good that it has gotten people to have it on their minds. I just don't like that they think they are going green when they are doing worse. I always tell people they are idiots for most of the . |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
I agree that it is good that it has gotten people to have it on their minds. I just don't like that they think they are going green when they are doing worse. I always tell people they are idiots for most of the . |
People at my work keep buying those reusable bags. They always see me struggling trying to load their groceries into them (seriously, they're a ing pain in the ass and I don't care what your reason is, if you use them and you're reading this, I hate you). At that point they say, "Yeah, it probably is a little bit of extra work, but every little bit for the environment helps!" I always want to slap them across their face and tell them they're not really doing much, if anything.
Oh, and what really gets me are the people who think they're so "great" for using those bags and act all righteous about it, then turn around and bitch about why it's taking me so long to bag their groceries when it took me LESS time to bag the previous persons who had MORE items and used normal plastic bags. IT'S BECAUSE YOUR BAGS ING SUCK.
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I'm going to go nap. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
People at my work keep buying those reusable bags. They always see me struggling trying to load their groceries into them (seriously, they're a ing pain in the ass and I don't care what your reason is, if you use them and you're reading this, I hate you). At that point they say, "Yeah, it probably is a little bit of extra work, but every little bit for the environment helps!" I always want to slap them across their face and tell them they're not really doing much, if anything.
Oh, and what really gets me are the people who think they're so "great" for using those bags and act all righteous about it, then turn around and bitch about why it's taking me so long to bag their groceries when it took me LESS time to bag the previous persons who had MORE items and used normal plastic bags. IT'S BECAUSE YOUR BAGS ING SUCK.
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I'm going to go nap. |
haha ing idiots. |
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| Jarvmeister |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
haha ing idiots. |
I find it surprising how angry you feel about all this! Do yourself a favour and calm down a little!
I don't have time to argue the point, however I also have a study, produced by the Oxford University (ever heard of them??) that proves that the product I posted works. That is to say, if you use it you will save energy.
And Photocopiers......? They don't switch themselves off where I come from. They go into powersave mode, and wake up when either they receive a signal over LAN or have button pressed.
PCs. Switch one off, then look at the pack of it. Flashing lights on the LAN card.
Look, if you don't see the point, I'm not going to try to make you change your ways. I only came here to get a few ideas, not to preach.
gehzumteufel, you've got a few points. Mainly that the whole movement is spiraling out of control, and now it's more about making money than saving the environment. But since I'm an energy consultant, at least part of the time, I know that we've installed technology into several corporations in the UK, and we've seen the energy bill drop from between 5% and 10% annually. These are facts. And when you talk about a 10% saving on your electricity bill being in the region of £40,000 over the course of a year - it's considerable. Part of the ontract we present states that we are only to be paid once the forecast savings have been made. We've been paid on every occasion thus far for the last year and a half.
I'll dig out the Oxford University report on Monday and post it. |
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| gehzumteufel |
Jarv, I can see where you're misinterpreting this. I am all for saving the environment, and all that, but the problem is this. You can talk about all this saving this, and saving that, but as I told Jake (idoru), DISPLACEMENT, is not being green. You displacing your energy savings by putting them towards another effort, saves nothing. It may save you with your pocket immediately, but you aren't doing anything in the effort that you are APPEARING to help.
And I used to work for an environmental firm that has a department on sustainability management systems. Part of that whole thing, is being green. This applies to your supply chain, energy consumption, being in a green building, etc. You name it, it is part of it. Look up the ISO 14001 Certification. Believe me, I am not unaware of the points in which you are trying to convey. I was part of the "green" team at my former office. I just question, with obvious concern, the need for stupid devices such as the one you propose. Why? Especially in office buildings, you can install motion sensors in the lighting systems, timers in the panels to kill the lights after a certain time unless specifically told to turn on for a specific amount of time, etc. These are MUCH more effective measures that lower the consumption when people are not around or in the office. Seriously, I don't care the fact that they work. They are a crock of device that could easily be supplanted by much BETTER technologies that are ALREADY in the market. Stuff that electricians, building architects, etc are very familiar with. Even the property management of the building is familiar with the stuff. |
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| CleverName |
I'm looking into installing a solar collector for water heating in my home. Several grand initial investment that pays for itself in a few years, and the system is warranted up to 20 years.
This portal is a good place to start looking, at least in south florida
http://energy.sourceguides.com/busi...dist/dist.shtml
Although, my circumstances have changed drastically in the last few weeks so I dunno if that will actually happen. But the fact that I seriously considered doing it, makes me feel better about...not...doing it. |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by CleverName
I'm looking into installing a solar collector for water heating in my home. Several grand initial investment that pays for itself in a few years, and the system is warranted up to 20 years. |
I grew up with one of those, and it was awesome. It would depend heavily on your environment though. We have no real shortage of sunshine here, but a lot north American's would have issues with long winters etc, I think? |
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| Sunsnail |
I grew up with one of those, and it was awesome. It would depend heavily on your environment though. We have no real shortage of sunshine here, but a lot north American's would have issues with long winters etc, I think?
OI DO BELIVE THAT QUITE A OT OF solar heating issues dealing in american culture are due to an overwhelming presence of nephytes. join society of schientolofy. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by CleverName
I'm looking into installing a solar collector for water heating in my home. Several grand initial investment that pays for itself in a few years, and the system is warranted up to 20 years.
This portal is a good place to start looking, at least in south florida
http://energy.sourceguides.com/busi...dist/dist.shtml
Although, my circumstances have changed drastically in the last few weeks so I dunno if that will actually happen. But the fact that I seriously considered doing it, makes me feel better about...not...doing it. |
Check with your power company and see if there are any sort of programs where you can go through them. They usually have financing programs, that if you go through them, you can get and amortize it. It is a little more expensive, but it really does pay for itself. We had one growing up. It worked wonderfully. Even with 9 people in our family and the hot water usage being high. |
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| Jarvmeister |
I just fail to see how you can truely believe that using less energy, regardless of how you achieve that, is displacing your consumption?
If we use less energy in our office, it doesn't mean that someone else uses more on our behalf. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jarvmeister
I just fail to see how you can truely believe that using less energy, regardless of how you achieve that, is displacing your consumption?
If we use less energy in our office, it doesn't mean that someone else uses more on our behalf. |
Umm, that device you buy has to be manufactured. The more that are purchased, the higher the energy consumption due to larger manufacturing outfits. How is that NOT displacement? |
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| Jarvmeister |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Umm, that device you buy has to be manufactured. The more that are purchased, the higher the energy consumption due to larger manufacturing outfits. How is that NOT displacement? |
You assume that the cost [on the environment] of manufacture is greater than the saving. Don't assume that, it's not. You can displace some of the saving against that, but after a short period of time it becomes negligable.
Fair point though. It's time for the east to start working with the west in order to reduce the carbon output of product production to further minimise the carbon footprint of the whole equation. |
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