|
I think im ready to enter the producing zone,reccomend me some equipment? (pg. 3)
|
View this Thread in Original format
| mark_gg_daniels |
phew... some back up....
I have a friend who done his PHD in Business management on why music software is so expensive, I read the paper and its pretty intreresting... It basiclly concludes that its so expensive becuase they KNOW it gets downloaded, and ripped off by a lot of people, but they also KNOW that studios, collegees etc etc have no choice but to pay for it, hence why they overcharge for the product by aroun 10 times, and I agree - Im not dissing them, its just business sense - it works for them, and it works for the amateur guy who wants to make some tunes in his loft, and not spend his mortgage on it.
I dont intend on breaking this unspoken understanding ;) |
|
|
| StanVoid |
have you got any analog sidechain compressors yet?
those are crucial |
|
|
| Ray_Chappell |
| quote: | Originally posted by mark_gg_daniels
phew... some back up....
I have a friend who done his PHD in Business management on why music software is so expensive, I read the paper and its pretty intreresting... It basiclly concludes that its so expensive becuase they KNOW it gets downloaded, and ripped off by a lot of people, but they also KNOW that studios, collegees etc etc have no choice but to pay for it, hence why they overcharge for the product by aroun 10 times, and I agree - Im not dissing them, its just business sense - it works for them, and it works for the amateur guy who wants to make some tunes in his loft, and not spend his mortgage on it.
I dont intend on breaking this unspoken understanding ;) |
It doesn't take a PhD in business to figure that out. It's called free rider concept in econ and a free loader in the real world. Piracy increases the cost of doing business. Higher cost of doing business means higher cost to recoup and profit. That means higher cost per person that is paying for it. It works both ways - if all the people using the software would pay for it, the price would come down.
You can justify theft any way you want... Someone once debated with me that you could justify a car jacking because the victim has insurance, the insurance company builds a certain number of thefts into their monthly rate, and as long as no one is physically hurt, it's ok... same basic principle here, theft is ok because it is built in. |
|
|
| derail |
| quote: | Originally posted by mark_gg_daniels
studios, collegees etc etc have no choice but to pay for it, hence why they overcharge for the product by aroun 10 times |
Studios and colleges have no choice but to pay for Vengeance Essential Clubsounds and Vanguard? If you have the facts on the number of studios and colleges using these, I'd be interested to see them, because I think it's much more likely their main income comes from bedroom producers such as a lot of us on this forum. If you have the figures, I'm happy to be proved wrong. I'd also be interested in where you got the "10 times" amount for the overcharging. If you can explain that, I'd be grateful.
Yes, people justify everything they do, otherwise they wouldn't do it. Companies are greedy. I don't have enough money. I wouldn't buy it anyway. Studio owners do have a choice whether or not to pay for their software (I remember hearing of Waves raiding a few professional studios and taking them to court for having cracked Waves plugins) - but yes, all those owners likely had good justifications as well.
Look, I can fully understand the "try before you buy" mindset, and a lot of companies provide demo versions of their products for this reason. If people are using warez to evaluate their options, then delete them and either buy them or stop using them, fine. But telling someone who is just starting out in production that "hey, you should get everything for free - don't pay for your software, it's totally okay to not pay" is not the right way to go, especially for one of the main trance forums on the internet.
People will work things out themselves, in terms of sourcing illegal copies of software. For evaluation purposes, I'm okay with it (basically, no song using illegal software leaves the studio or touches any other person's ears). But I'm against providing a step-by-step guide to someone starting out. |
|
|
| Theran |
This is an interesting discussion, I agree most with derail. I, and I think most, have used warez in the past. I think the try before you buy thing is - not to be justified - a good thing. It is true that you can download a demo-version of almost everything, but some are really limited and they won't give the possibility to really dig deep into the software. But if there are demo versions, you'd better try them.
I do not encourage downloading warez, but it's true, that most software is to expensive to "buy and try". And a lot of people here are hobbyists, and do not want a pro career.
I have used warez, but since I got money out of making music, I started to pay for the software I use. It's as simple as that, if it weren't for (most of) them, I probably wasn't able to produce the music I do, and I think it's only fair to pay them, as I get payed making music.
I can 'understand' people using warez, but if your making money with it, you should be ashamed of yourselfs!!! |
|
|
| mark_gg_daniels |
I guesd I agree with last post, its down to whether you got the money or not, If I had the money id love to have the official cds, boxes manuals etc etc.... but i simply cannot afford everything i got on this pc if i bought legally.... I could suppose buy a few things, maybe cubase and one or two vsts after few months of saving, but I would not have nowhere near the standard of music making potential I got now
My mentalitiy is - if u can afford it, than buy it - if u cannot .....well |
|
|
| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by mark_gg_daniels
My mentalitiy is - if u can afford it, than buy it - if u cannot .....well |
...well, what? Steal it? Are you really that retarded? You justify theft because you can't afford something that you don't need. Why not just use freeware instead?
Yes, your honor, I stole the Porsche from the dealership because I could not afford to buy one and the free car that my parents offered me isn't as cool as the Porsche. I don't see how that could be considered a crime, your honor.
Now, before you come back with the "yeah, but it's just software and it can be copied anyway" argument, think back to that "freeloader" concept that Ray_Chappell mentioned a few posts ago. I'm the guy that has to pay extra for my legitimate software purchases because losers like you steal and condone/justify the theft of software. |
|
|
| mark_gg_daniels |
not tryin to be funny, but thats youre problem mate, and not mine....:D
Nothing you say will change my mind.... I will download until the cows come home, and will spread the info on how to do it until than also... THanks to people like you, the companies make enough so I dont have to pay -
whos the retard now?
:whip: |
|
|
| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by mark_gg_daniels
whos the retard now?
|
Probably the guy who wrote this almost intelligible post:
| quote: | Originally posted by mark_gg_daniels
I guesd I agree with last post, its down to whether you got the money or not, If I had the money id love to have the official cds, boxes manuals etc etc.... but i simply cannot afford everything i got on this pc if i bought legally.... I could suppose buy a few things, maybe cubase and one or two vsts after few months of saving, but I would not have nowhere near the standard of music making potential I got now
My mentalitiy is - if u can afford it, than buy it - if u cannot .....well
|
You almost completed a thought, almost used correct puncuation, almost capitalized proper nouns, almost spelled "guess" correctly (that one's a toughie), and almost used "then" rather than "than" in the last (almost complete) sentence. The Queen must be very proud.
However, if you meant to imply that law-abiding people who are intelligent enough to attain a job with sufficient income to afford them the purchase of software and can write at an above 5th-grade level are retards, then your comment is duly noted. Now, perhaps you should get off your boss' computer and get back to work. Those pub toilets aren't going to clean themselves.
Oh, and btw: :whip:
p.s. "btw" is shorthand for "by the way", in the likely case that you didn't comprehend it. |
|
|
| derail |
| quote: | Originally posted by mark_gg_daniels
not tryin to be funny, but thats youre problem mate, and not mine....:D
Nothing you say will change my mind.... I will download until the cows come home, and will spread the info on how to do it until than also... THanks to people like you, the companies make enough so I dont have to pay -
whos the retard now?
:whip: |
Mark, I hope you continue developing your skills, get your productions sounding fantastic (with hardware or software you've purchased in the meantime), and can look back on this post and laugh in a year or so.
The relationship you have with products you've laid down hard-earned money for will likely be totally different to a million pieces of warez software, no matter how good they are. Generally, if you're paying, you become a lot clearer about your acquisitions and what you want to do with your sound. You're not just going to grab the latest "hyped up superdupersaw with a thousand effects" synth and play around with it.
i don't know how you spend your money, how poor you really are, and it's not important that this forum finds out. But if you have money going to anything which isn't strictly an essential (say, you buy a magazine, or some non-nutritious fast food), even if it's only once in a while, and you NEVER spend money on music software/hardware, then it's obvious where your priorities are. |
|
|
| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by mark_gg_daniels
THanks to people like you, the companies make enough so I dont have to pay -
whos the retard now?
|
you're possibly the biggest on this forum since rubez. |
|
|
| G-Con |
| quote: | Originally posted by derail
The relationship you have with products you've laid down hard-earned money for will likely be totally different to a million pieces of warez software, no matter how good they are. Generally, if you're paying, you become a lot clearer about your acquisitions and what you want to do with your sound. |
This is very true. I bought the Virus TI about 12 months ago. Because of what it cost me, I decided to use it for as much as possible to "get my moneys worth" even though at that time, there were certain soft synths that I could get something much quicker and easier out of.
Now a year on, I never reach for any other synth than the TI. I know how it works and what it can do better than any other synth I'd used and as a result I've got much better at synthesis in general.
Had there been a software version of the TI available as warez, I may have tried it, used the odd preset but never truly commited the time needed to use its capabilities. |
|
|
|
|
