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Nuclear Power (pg. 3)
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| Dr. DAS |
All for it. 100%
It's a simple equation, rewards outweigh risks.
...as long as nobody flies a 737 into it. |
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| nekholm |
| quote: | Originally posted by lücid
NUCULAR! |
Homer: "Nucular", it's pronounced "nucular".
Lois: Peter! Don't scare the kids about a nuclear holocaust.
Peter: Haha, you said nuclear, it's nucular you dummy, the s is silent. |
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| Lira |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Gauss
Do you speak Croatian? :) |
How much Russian can you understand? I've just taken a glimpse at the Lord's prayer in Croatian (that was the first text I found, heh), and I wonder wheter it's easier for a Russian speaker to understand Croatian or the other way around. I mean...
| quote: | Oče naš, koji jesi na nebesima,
sveti se ime Tvoje.
Dođi kraljevstvo Tvoje,
budi volja Tvoja,
kako na Nebu, tako i na Zemlji.
Kruh naš svagdašnji daj nam danas,
i otpusti nam duge naše,
kako i mi otpuštamo dužnicima našim.
I ne uvedi nas u napast,
nego izbavi nas od zla. |
In bold is the bit I got because of my basic knowledge in Russian and in Italic is the stuff I "figured out" because it's not much differerent from other European languages (such as English/Latin). Still, I was utterly confused by most of the grammar - I didn't get why it is "na nebesima" in the first sentence but "na nebu" later on... and I'd expect the "kako" "tako" to come in the reverse order.
But I'm just a smart-arse, not a native speaker :p
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
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How much Russian can you understand? I've just taken a glimpse at the Lord's prayer in Croatian (that was the first text I found, heh), and I wonder wheter it's easier for a Russian speaker to understand Croatian or the other way around. I mean...
In bold is the bit I got because of my basic knowledge in Russian and in Italic is the stuff I "figured out" because it's not much differerent from other European languages (such as English/Latin). Still, I was utterly confused by most of the grammar - I didn't get why it is "na nebesima" in the first sentence but "na nebu" later on... and I'd expect the "kako" "tako" to come in the reverse order.
But I'm just a smart-arse, not a native speaker :p
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I have such a hard time reading Russian using the latic character set. I can read it with the Cyrillic set, but I don't know what I am saying. |
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| Moongoose |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
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How much Russian can you understand? I've just taken a glimpse at the Lord's prayer in Croatian (that was the first text I found, heh), and I wonder wheter it's easier for a Russian speaker to understand Croatian or the other way around. I mean...
In bold is the bit I got because of my basic knowledge in Russian and in Italic is the stuff I "figured out" because it's not much differerent from other European languages (such as English/Latin). Still, I was utterly confused by most of the grammar - I didn't get why it is "na nebesima" in the first sentence but "na nebu" later on... and I'd expect the "kako" "tako" to come in the reverse order.
But I'm just a smart-arse, not a native speaker :p
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Same prayer, a slightly different language (Slovenian :)). Just for reference. As for the "na nebesima" and "na nebu" the first one means in heaven, while the other one means in the sky. Makes the text seem less repetitive that way ;)
Oče naš, ki si v nebesih,
posvečeno bodi tvoje ime,
pridi k nam tvoje kraljestvo,
zgodi se tvoja volja
kakor v nebesih tako na zemlji.
Daj nam danes naš vsakdanji kruh
in odpusti nam naše dolge,
kakor tudi mi odpuščamo svojim dolžnikom,
in ne vpelji nas v skušnjavo,
temveč reši nas hudega.
I can understand some russian, just because some words are very similar and by context (i knew what the baddies in indiana jones 4 were saying even though there were no subtitles for them :))
On topic, I am all for nuclear energy, and i supported the construction of a second reactor at our only nuclear power plant. However i fear that this plans may be forced to hold since they had a minor leak in the coolant system last month. The damn thing was fixed in an hour or so, posed no danger to anybody but the foreign press made it look like the plant was about to explode just like Chernobyl, completely ignoring the fact that because of the different reactor type a disaster like that could never happen here. |
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| NeoPhono |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Yeah I have the same view. I really hope that they will find a practical yet incredible use for the waste. |
There already is one...giving ordinary people awesome mutant super powers. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by NeoPhono
There already is one...giving ordinary people awesome mutant super powers. |
LOL |
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| Ang ' ela_ie |
Totally pro nuclear.
Here's the thing about the "waste."
The reason we have so much nuclear waste in the US is because of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. But the thing is, everybody else on the face of the planet recycles the nuclear waste that comes out of the reactor for the first time. In fact, it can even be recycled past that. We can actually recycle about 95% of the nuclear waste that comes out of the reactor, ie. we REUSE the waste and produce more energy. Which means that only 5% needs to be stored in any meaningful way. Europe has already solved the problem of Yucca Mountain, but we refuse to accept the technology.
Everyone else in the world does this. The US doesnt do it because we're afraid someone's going to get to the weapons-grade plutonium? Here's the thing. If someone can get into a nuclear facility, they can get into a storage facility. We also refuse to accept reactor technology designs from other countries. So, in order to do this, if we even wanted to, we would essentially have to reinvent the wheel.
Nuclear is a huge win compared to all other forms of mass energy production. And it's safer, too. Especially considering how many people become ill from living near coal-fired power plants. |
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| Gauss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
How much Russian can you understand? |
A lot of words by themselves, but I doubt I could handle the grammar and slang. :)
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Still, I was utterly confused by most of the grammar - I didn't get why it is "na nebesima" in the first sentence but "na nebu" later on... and I'd expect the "kako" "tako" to come in the reverse order.
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Nebesa means heaven (another word for it is raj) and nebo means sky.
Reason why they're similar is probably because heaven should be somewhere up there. :p (But of course, I don't believe in heaven and hell).
And don't be confused with the grammar, don't even try to understand it, Croatian language has one of the toughest grammars in the world. :)
We have 7 cases, compared to only 4 in English, for example. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie
Totally pro nuclear.
Here's the thing about the "waste."
The reason we have so much nuclear waste in the US is because of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. But the thing is, everybody else on the face of the planet recycles the nuclear waste that comes out of the reactor for the first time. In fact, it can even be recycled past that. We can actually recycle about 95% of the nuclear waste that comes out of the reactor, ie. we REUSE the waste and produce more energy. Which means that only 5% needs to be stored in any meaningful way. Europe has already solved the problem of Yucca Mountain, but we refuse to accept the technology.
Everyone else in the world does this. The US doesnt do it because we're afraid someone's going to get to the weapons-grade plutonium? Here's the thing. If someone can get into a nuclear facility, they can get into a storage facility. We also refuse to accept reactor technology designs from other countries. So, in order to do this, if we even wanted to, we would essentially have to reinvent the wheel.
Nuclear is a huge win compared to all other forms of mass energy production. And it's safer, too. Especially considering how many people become ill from living near coal-fired power plants. |
This all boils down to the "We are the US and we have to re-invent everything, including the wheel." syndrome that the US has. I really ing hate that about the US so much. Nothing can be borrowed. We always have to have our own, more costly and less effective, way of doing things. |
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Gauss
My final work for graduation was about nuclear plants and their effects on ecology.
So, simply put, I'm all for it because there are far more pros than cons.
With proper education of people who maintain power plants and proper disposal of nuclear waste, there should be no problems.
Impact of nuclear plants on ecology is negliable compared to enormous ammounts of energy they give.
Also, taken into account that we're quickly running out of fossil fuels that run thermal power stations, I think everything has been said. |
A big fat +1 to that
Oh and link me to your paper. I will read it :) |
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| Lira |
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| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
I have such a hard time reading Russian using the latic character set. I can read it with the Cyrillic set, but I don't know what I am saying. |
I feel your pain - it takes a while for me to "recognise" it in the Latin alphabet as well...
| quote: | Originally posted by Moongoose
Same prayer, a slightly different language (Slovenian :)). Just for reference. As for the "na nebesima" and "na nebu" the first one means in heaven, while the other one means in the sky. Makes the text seem less repetitive that way ;)
Oče naš, ki si v nebesih,
posvečeno bodi tvoje ime,
pridi k nam tvoje kraljestvo,
zgodi se tvoja volja
kakor v nebesih tako na zemlji.
Daj nam danes naš vsakdanji kruh
in odpusti nam naše dolge,
kakor tudi mi odpuščamo svojim dolžnikom,
in ne vpelji nas v skušnjavo,
temveč reši nas hudega. |
hhmm... I find it harder to understand Eslovanian than Croatian, although I'm somewhat glad that this time around the language stuck with "nebesih" and didn't mind the repetition :p
[off-topic]| quote: | Originally posted by Moongoose
I can understand some russian, just because some words are very similar and by context (i knew what the baddies in indiana jones 4 were saying even though there were no subtitles for them :)) |
Interesting :)
I've got to watch that film now, hehehe.
| quote: | Originally posted by Gauss
A lot of words by themselves, but I doubt I could handle the grammar and slang. :)
Nebesa means heaven (another word for it is raj) and nebo means sky.
Reason why they're similar is probably because heaven should be somewhere up there. :p |
Hehehe, I like your thinking :D
| quote: | Originally posted by Gauss
And don't be confused with the grammar, don't even try to understand it, Croatian language has one of the toughest grammars in the world. :)
We have 7 cases, compared to only 4 in English, for example. |
I'm used to cases, don't worry, and I actually prefer languages that do have some kind of case marking (even if it's exotic for European standards, such as Japanese), because it's so much easier to understand a sentence when each word tells you why they're there :p
Unless, of course, it's something like Finnish, with all its 15 cases... I've said it before and I'll say it again - if there's a devil, he's definitely Finnish :D |
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