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Cartoon ruling may prompt 'Islamophobia' (pg. 3)
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| tathi |
"Freedom of Expression or Go To Hell" hahaha awesome
they should hold up a sign that says "Hang all of the extremists!" |
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| Arbiter |
This thread reminds me of something I've had sitting in my e-mail inbox for a few weeks.
Last month, an associate of mine was flying through London. He wasn't entering the UK, but because his layover was especially long he still had to go through immigration, where he was apparently deemed a likely Islamic terrorist.
He was taken to a side room for "questioning." What follows is a transcript of the first part of the interrogation, as related by my associate:
| quote: | Official: So, when did you convert?
Suspicious Man: Pardon me?
Official: When did you convert to Islam?
Suspicious Man: I'm not a Muslim.
Official: Then what about the beard?
Suspicious Man: I just have a beard.
Official: But why?
Suspicious Man: I'm male. Facial hair is a secondary sex characteristic of human males.
Official: But you could shave...
Suspicious Man: Well, are you a Muslim?
Official: No, of course not.
Suspicious Man: Well, you have a beard.
Official: Not like yours.
Official: If you're not a Muslim, then what's your religion?
Suspicious Man: I'm an atheist.
Official: Do you have any proof of your religious affiliation?
Suspicious Man: Atheism isn't a religious affiliation.
Official: Excuse me while I check on a few things.
Suspicious Man: If it will expedite this process, I would be happy to doodle some pictures of the prophet Muhammad.
Official: That won't be necessary.
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
This thread reminds me of something I've had sitting in my e-mail inbox for a few weeks. |
Funny quote (like the ending!) but also I'm pretty sure that line of questioning would be illegal practice in the UK so your friend might want to make a complaint to someone |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Funny quote (like the ending!) but also I'm pretty sure that line of questioning would be illegal practice in the UK so your friend might want to make a complaint to someone |
yeah, very funny but definitely over-shadowed by the connotations. i mean seriously, how many terrorists do they think there are in the world? |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
yeah, very funny but definitely over-shadowed by the connotations. i mean seriously, how many terrorists do they think there are in the world? |
Fox news says they are all over the place :nervous: |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
The analogy is fine, your ability to comprehend it seems a little limited...
Magentonium is saying that if Danish Muslims don't like Denmark they should go back to where they came from. Considering that "where" is likely Denmark, it's a stupid comment, about as stupid as saying that black people in America, if they don't like something about America, should go "back" to Africa. Both sets of people are extremely likely to be where they are from, so telling them to go elsewhere is just racist |
Your comparison to African Americans is totally uncalled for, its totally different ... just cant compare it, LazFX has a good point (thanks Laz!)
Not all of Danish Muslims were born in Denmark. And not all of them embraced the Danish system, to this day. They refuse to conform it, and instead want to rewrite it to accomodate their ways of things.
Denmark allows its Muslims to do many things, like practise their religion, build mosques, communities, speak their native language, etc. etc. which is all fine and dandy. But these people try to go a bit further ...
Heck, I live in Canada and I am in no way criticizing this system because I know that this system the way it is became so successful I ended up immigrated my ass over here. And I want to keep it this way.
I am just saying that if Muslims dont like Denmark's system, they should just move to countries that do accept their views, not literally be forcefully removed ... they can move to countries like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. Like seriously, their actions are so naive and stupid they literally want to turn Denmark into another Pakistan of sorts. They cant see it through. I mean, here in Canada some Muslim parents kill their children for not obeying to their laws, how sick is that! There was a story on that few months ago ... But their hypocrisy gets in the way. They like democracy, just not when it gets in the way of their opinions/perspectives.
Some Muslims immigrate to the West for better lives to escape the tyranny and oppression of their lands only to turn their new communities and families into the same thing that their home countries are plagued by. Thats so dumb. I know Muslim girls here in my town who are afraid of their fathers and even still wear those total-body-coveralls because they have strict rules for everything. I've once dropped off my college papers to one of those girls and her father literally dropped the bomb on me. He was pissed and told me not to talk to his daughter again. |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
This thread reminds me of something I've had sitting in my e-mail inbox for a few weeks.
Last month, an associate of mine was flying through London. He wasn't entering the UK, but because his layover was especially long he still had to go through immigration, where he was apparently deemed a likely Islamic terrorist.
He was taken to a side room for "questioning." What follows is a transcript of the first part of the interrogation, as related by my associate: |
ROFL!!! That made my day ... too funny. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
I've once dropped off my college papers to one of those girls and her father literally dropped the bomb on me. He was pissed and told me not to talk to his daughter again. |
i would show up every day to with his head. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
Your comparison to African Americans is totally uncalled for, its totally different ... just cant compare it, LazFX has a good point (thanks Laz!) |
Eh? Then maybe you should read Laz's following post! |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Eh? Then maybe you should read Laz's following post! |
No need. I already covered the response two posts ago. So if there's anything specific you want me to explain that you think I didn't mention in my previous response for further clarification, let me know ;-)
Basically I think that Muslims in any country have rights to practise their culture, religion, language, etc. but changing the laws of that country that conflicts and/or inhibits the rights or freedoms of the country's main ethnic group(s) is wrong.
Denmark's cartoonists have done nothing wrong, because not only are they not Muslim, but they have not killes anyone. And punishing them for using one of their most fundamental and most sacred rights, freedom of speech, is just too much for some people like me to accept.
So therefore I shall resist. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
I lived in Denmark for three months, and my neighborhood was largely Middle Eastern. But as a total of the population, the Islamic demographic is extremely small, and the percentage of those that demonstrate is microscopic. In fact, though there was some obvious animosity between Danes and "Pakis" - entirely evident by comments made by native Danes and not vice versa, very little of it was religious - it was mostly racial.
I think the controversy is largely one waged between Denmark and external sources of backlash. The Danish Muslims don't seem up in arms on the issue at all - indeed, they're more concerned with assimilating into Danish society than anything else, because they are very much isolated within the Danish state. The Jyllands-Posten was well within its rights to publish the Danish cartoons, but there's such a thing as good sense as well, and even the editorial board of the newspaper has stated that even though it was perfectly legal to publish them it perhaps wasn't such a good idea. Much like it's ok to say "People who like Pepsi like the penis" in a Coca-Cola ad, it probably isn't a very good idea to do it.
Also, it's worth mentioning that the Supreme Court of the United States restricts speech deemed to be "fighting words" - or rather, speech designed to incite violence or animosity against a particular group of people. The Jyllands cartoons could pass by that test, but what about recurring cartoons and pictures? |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
total-body-coveralls because they have strict rules for everything. I've once dropped off my college papers to one of those girls and her father literally dropped the bomb on me. He was pissed and told me not to talk to his daughter again. |
I've heard that direct contact with the daughter is a no-no without going through the father first is pretty common.
However I find it's highly hypocritical to let his daughter go to a school and assume no one is going to take to her there... |
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