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Liberal Stephane Dions Carbon Tax
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| Jayx1 |
Your thoughts?
I think you can predict how i feel about this haha |
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| malek |
| I think he should be shot, as any other politician that wants to put any form of new taxation. |
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| VERTiG0 |
Hahhahhaahhahahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahhahahhahahhahahhahahahahahahhaah
"Revenue neutral" |
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| Jayx1 |
So question is do you think canadians will fall for this BS.. um sorry i mean ontarians?
This new tax will undoubtably raise the price of virtually everything we buy.
1) everyone heats their home either directly or through rent cost.
2) everyone uses electricy (this will be levied on electricity producers) so those rates will go up as well
3) Everyone uses gasoline to travel whether its a car or transit. Either way expect to pay more. And yes i know dion says he wont put the tax on gasoline but what hes not telling you is that he will tax the production of oil and gasoline. A sneaky way to bury the tax into the cost of your gas!
4) Virtually any product you buy takes energy to create. Therefor anything you buy will increase in price from plastic toys to organically grown carrots.
5) these so called tax breaks will go to low income canadians while it will be mostly middle class canadians that pay it. Sounds like a mini version of the kyoto wealth re-distribution protocal to me!
If pratical thinking and common sensed ruled this country, dion would have as much chance as the NDP of forming the next government! Im really hoping canadians arent this dumb!! |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by VERTiG0
Hahhahhaahhahahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahhahahhahahhahahhahahahahahahhaah
"Revenue neutral" |
Revenue neutral for those who heat and light their homes by candlelight and grow their own food in the backyard perhaps. Oh wait, you still need to buy fertilizer for that food. And that takes energy to make... hmmm maybe not then..
Sorry dion! I tried! |
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| rabbitjoker |
| Socialists... :whip: |
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| MarkT |
I really don't know enough about it yet to comment in depth.
clearly some people don't understand what "revenue neutral" means. revenue neutral = the gov't doesn't "profit" from the initiative.
Dion has been up front that it's going to cost Canadians' money. He's simply said that it's revenue neutral in that all tax revenue will be 'given back' in the form of tax cuts as opposed to going into gov't coffers.
IIRC, the cuts would be geared more heavily toward lower income earners, while those whose tax payable is already low or nil (i.e. the lowest income earners) will receive additional tax credits.
say what you will about it...it's a LOT better than anything the lame-duck CPC has done (re: nothing but scrap Kyoto). Environment minister John Baird is probably the only guy I'd rather throat-punch than Harper himself...what a douchebag.
Environmental groups hail the move (hell, the Green Party is calling for a HIGHER carbon tax) and industry heads have expressed support, depending upon the details/application of the tax. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| I need to read the plan in detail yet; however, based on what I have read to date I'm leaning toward supporting it. I just spent a boat-load of money making my home more efficient, I don't pay for fuel, all the maintenance on my vehicle is tax deductible so extra tax on oil based lubricants is just more to deduct... so I'll essentially be looking at paying a bit more for consumer goods but in exchange I get a decent income tax cut... works for me. |
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| Superstring |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I need to read the plan in detail yet; however, based on what I have read to date I'm leaning toward supporting it. I just spent a boat-load of money making my home more efficient, I don't pay for fuel, all the maintenance on my vehicle is tax deductible so extra tax on oil based lubricants is just more to deduct... so I'll essentially be looking at paying a bit more for consumer goods but in exchange I get a decent income tax cut... works for me. |
Works for you is all well. How about : does this work for the majority of people in the province? |
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| Dave Akermanis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
So question is do you think canadians will fall for this BS.. um sorry i mean ontarians?
This new tax will undoubtably raise the price of virtually everything we buy.
1) everyone heats their home either directly or through rent cost.
2) everyone uses electricy (this will be levied on electricity producers) so those rates will go up as well
3) Everyone uses gasoline to travel whether its a car or transit. Either way expect to pay more. And yes i know dion says he wont put the tax on gasoline but what hes not telling you is that he will tax the production of oil and gasoline. A sneaky way to bury the tax into the cost of your gas!
4) Virtually any product you buy takes energy to create. Therefor anything you buy will increase in price from plastic toys to organically grown carrots.
5) these so called tax breaks will go to low income canadians while it will be mostly middle class canadians that pay it. Sounds like a mini version of the kyoto wealth re-distribution protocal to me!
If pratical thinking and common sensed ruled this country, dion would have as much chance as the NDP of forming the next government! Im really hoping canadians arent this dumb!! |
Why dont you try reducing your carbon footprint?
Like, man... its right-wing cynics like you that are the reason people still claim there is a debate over global warming. |
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| Shaya007 |
Somehow I feel like he's doing this NOT to get elected!
lol! |
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| VERTiG0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
Socialists... :whip: |
Hello welcome to Canada, enjoy your stay |
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