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why does Gen. Clark hate america? (pg. 2)
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| josh4 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
I really haven't understood the backlash on this one. It's not as though Clark attacked his service, he just said that it doesn't qualify him to be President. Why is McCain making this an issue and more importantly, why the did Obama back down?
Edit: Josh, he did disown him. |
Obama hasn't outright disowned Clark. He hasn't really said anything definitive one way or the other. Thats what the reds are trying to pressure him into doing. McCain is understandably upset because Clark was attacking him and making accusations that McCain was trumping up his military service as a qualification. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
b/c it was pretty f**king insulting but Clark gets the obligatory pass from the left apparently. |
Are we talking about the actual, contextual comment or the bull that I've been seeing you neocons say that it means. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by josh4
Obama hasn't outright disowned Clark. He hasn't really said anything definitive one way or the other. Thats what the reds are trying to pressure him into doing. McCain is understandably upset because Clark was attacking him and making accusations that McCain was trumping up his military service as a qualification. |
"But the fact that somebody on a cable show or on a news show like Gen. Clark said something that was inartful about Sen. McCain I don’t think is probably the thing that is keeping Ohioans up at night."
Wasn't Clark being mentioned as a VP potential not-so-long ago? |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
Wes Clark didn't have to say it, did he? |
imo, yes.
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
we're in pretty much agreement that military records aren't the end al be all of POTUS nominations. when have they ever been? |
well, to be honest as a foreigner watching the soundbites the military service comes up ALL the damn time. like...infinitely more than they do in other comparable countries.
i think its a good thing somebody said what ive always thought as i havent heard similar sentiments expressed publicly before? |
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| josh4 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
"But the fact that somebody on a cable show or on a news show like Gen. Clark said something that was inartful about Sen. McCain I don’t think is probably the thing that is keeping Ohioans up at night."
Wasn't Clark being mentioned as a VP potential not-so-long ago? |
Saying the comments were "inartful" isn't disowning Clark (or the comments for that matter).
Who hasn't been mentioned as a VP potential? They're ing talking about Bill Gates right now. :rolleyes: |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by mndeg
it's all about appeal to the average american. plus emotional arguments are generally more powerful than logical ones. especially for people who don't understand logic. |
let me tell you what "appeals to the average American". perseverance in the face of adversity. you see, John McCain after his near death experience in the worst Naval fire in history on the U.S.S. Forrestal and later his stay at the Hanoi Hilton, could have easily taken his Silver Star and lived under a bridge somewhere drowning his sorrows in a bottle of scotch and no one would have blamed him one bit. he didn't. he could have just as easily stayed in the Navy and with his credentials from Annapolis alone become an Admiral following the footsteps of his father and grandfather without kissing any ass whatsoever like most Captains have to do. he didn't. he could have had the cushest job in the world for the rest of his life working for his father-in-law after his retirement from the Navy. he didn't.
his life after 1981 was effectively set in the mold made for him through his life prior to that. you people that look at his military record or his POW status through a fishbowl and decide for one reason or another it doesn't count for are forgetting that that was only part of the man. a man that overcame all of that to continue serving his country for the next 30 years the way he saw fit. thats what counts. that should be taken into consideration
i didn't agree with half the stuff John McCain did with his work in Congress but i can at least respect and appreciate where it is he came from. sure as hell not going to take anything from him just because he wants to be the President, but apparently it's not going to stop the people that don't want him to be...and thats just wrong whether youre a Democrat or a Republican. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
Are we talking about the actual, contextual comment or the bull that I've been seeing you neocons say that it means. |
"neocons" huh?:rolleyes: f**k you are dumb.
this is what we're talking about.
"I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president," |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
"neocons" huh?:rolleyes: f**k you are dumb.
this is what we're talking about.
"I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president," |
Is it?
are you dumb |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
Is it?
are you dumb |
somebody give this kid a cookie. he attempted a comeback.
f**k all that man. here's the interview. i'd be glad to put in whatever f**king "context" you want...sans the "Evil Neocons" whatever the f**k that stupid meant:rolleyes:
it's hard to count all the obfuscation and contradictions Wes Clark tried to attempt here supporting his man. remember, this guy wanted to be President twice. McCain was on the Senate Armed Services Committee when Obama was getting high in college |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
somebody give this kid a cookie. he attempted a comeback.
f**k all that man. here's the interview. i'd be glad to put in whatever f**king "context" you want...sans the "Evil Neocons" whatever the f**k that stupid meant:rolleyes:
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Thanks for the link to the interview. After seeing it, you people sound even more ridiculous than when you just quote one sentence.
Schieffer directly compared him with Obama with the notion Obama not getting shot down meant that McCain knew more about being Commander in Chief.
You never answered the question as to whether it is qualification. It's not and as a result, this is a completely bull argument.
BTW, for those who haven't actually heard the hoopla, it's only the first 3 of the 7 minutes. |
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| mndeg |
McCain is NOT the same McCain from 2004. Why is his survival and his success so important? So the best president would be a millionaire that survived a lightning strike?
| quote: | | sure as hell not going to take anything from him just because he wants to be the President, but apparently it's not going to stop the people that don't want him to be...and thats just wrong whether youre a Democrat or a Republican. |
it's not taking anything away, from a logical POV it should be nulled. but from an emotional POV, it's a positive. A career in the armed forces obviously was the easy road for him. Don't make it sound like he did it all for someone elses benefit. People generally act in their own interests. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by mndeg
McCain is NOT the same McCain from 2004. Why is his survival and his success so important? So the best president would be a millionaire that survived a lightning strike?
it's not taking anything away, from a logical POV it should be nulled. but from an emotional POV, it's a positive. A career in the armed forces obviously was the easy road for him. Don't make it sound like he did it all for someone elses benefit. People generally act in their own interests. |
You mean 2000. I actually supported him then, before he became a shill to the current incarnation of the Republican Party. You know, back in the days when he didn't even vote for Bush because of what the Party did to him and in '04 when he was a potential as Kerry's VP. |
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