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Federer vs Nadal (pg. 3)
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| yankeeBaby |
amazing match.
amazing body (rafa's, that is......wowza!) :eyes: jesus. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Search&Rescue
true, serve and shot speeds are faster in today's games but majority of the points are still won by not allowing the player to reach in time at the spot where the ball has been shot at. Only a few are won by the sheer pace of the shots/aces
To put it into perspective, even today the contenders are trying to get each other to move around the court as much as possible. It's not that you can depend only on the force you hit the ball with. |
the increase speed just means the players don't have to be as far out of position to get the ball past the other player. Players don't have to be as accurate with each shot as they once had to. |
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| Cosmic Fur |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
Players don't have to be as accurate with each shot as they once had to. |
What? Returning a fast ball accurately is much harder than retuning a slow one accurately. I think you're being blinded by the fact that today's players' skills are so damn high that they can hit a backhand off a 120mph serve within a foot of the opposing corner. |
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| Search&Rescue |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
the increase speed just means the players don't have to be as far out of position to get the ball past the other player. Players don't have to be as accurate with each shot as they once had to. |
so you're saying that one can still score a point by returning a 120mph serve without moving from your original position (assuming the ball is within your reach to hit)?
well in a case where the ball is coming right at your body (which usually catches the player offguard), you HAVE to create room for yourself in order to make an accurate forehand/backhand return.
correct me if I'm wrong but from what you're saying, modern day gameplay in tennis has just become a sport where you need to make contact between the ball and your racquet, and the speed of the previous hit will take care of the rest. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
What I am suggesting is that a player doesn't need to hit a ball as far away from the other player in order for the other player to miss it.
As an example, just say 15 years ago a ball is hit, as hard as it could have been 15 years ago, 10 feet to the left of the player was reachable. A Ball hit the same distance away today would not be reachable.
Its just like golf....technology in the clubs and balls have caused the courses to basically become to short for the professionals. |
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| Cosmic Fur |
What you're describing is an increase in skill, progress, and innovation. I can't think of ONE sport where the players NOW are worse than the level of play decades ago. To think that Federer or Nadal can't hit a cross-court volley is laughable. It's just not as effective as other methods, and hence is no longer as an important part of their arsenal of moves. Any player's objective is to win, not to entertain the crowd with theatrics.
Perhaps the sports you should be looking at are the WWF and NASCAR. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
What you're describing is an increase in skill, progress, and innovation. I can't think of ONE sport where the players NOW are worse than the level of play decades ago. To think that Federer or Nadal can't hit a cross-court volley is laughable. It's just not as effective as other methods, and hence is no longer as an important part of their arsenal of moves. Any player's objective is to win, not to entertain the crowd with theatrics.
Perhaps the sports you should be looking at are the WWF and NASCAR. |
Technology plays a very significant part in both tennis and golf...I am not suggesting that the players today are not as good but technology has taken away the need for various shots and hence the players don't use them as often and are not as skilled with those shots.
Golf is the perfect example....when Arnold Palmer can hit the ball further and straighter at 60 years of age then when he was 25.....i don't think its an increase in his skills that caused that...its 100% technology. |
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| Cosmic Fur |
| Really? You don't think an extra 35 years of experience had anything to do with it? |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
Really? You don't think an extra 35 years of experience had anything to do with it? |
By the time the majority of golfers hit 50 they no longer can hit the ball as far or as straight as the once did.....You can not get as much hip movement and thrust. Experience would help with knowing what types of shots to hit....not the ability to hit the shots...especially at that age. |
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| Jem_hadar |
I still cant believe Rafa one.
I'm literally still in shock and awe when I think about it.
I said " you" to all my plans on Sunday bc i refused to leave the telly.
(Instead of going to the beach, as our original plans were, we just stayed at my place and chilled by my pool instead w/ drinks (with me watching the game on my deck).)
I told my friends i absolutely REFUSED to go ANYWHERE until this match was over. Said they could go to the beach w/o me.
My friends thought I was absoultey retarded for caring this much about a final.
Peace to them. I would have SHOT MYSELF if I'd been so dumb as to NOT watch this match! |
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| Jem_hadar |
And just to comment on Scott's last comment,
racket techoly (even tennis ball technolgy if you believe that) has absolutely contributed to the type of game we now often see player.
The way tennis rackets are now designed allows players to bank on far more power w/ their shots.
This has had two effects
1) Players now CAN hit balls far more powerfully (w/o sacrificing accuracy) ... you see much larger 'sweet spots' on rackets now-a-days than back in the 70 and 80s!
2) BC players can hit the balls more pwerfully (w/ accuracy maintained) you now see many, many players (esp with the men) who like to play such a "power game" that simply wouldnt be anywhere near as possible back in the day. |
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| Search&Rescue |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
What I am suggesting is that a player doesn't need to hit a ball as far away from the other player in order for the other player to miss it.
As an example, just say 15 years ago a ball is hit, as hard as it could have been 15 years ago, 10 feet to the left of the player was reachable. A Ball hit the same distance away today would not be reachable.
Its just like golf....technology in the clubs and balls have caused the courses to basically become to short for the professionals. |
I misunderstood the point you were trying to make then.
What you say here is completely valid but you also have to take into account the level of rigorous training players go through today which counteracts the progress in technology to an extent.
If Federer smashes a 120mph cross-court forehand today, Nadal could still probably reach it with the physique and muscular build that he's got. On the other hand, someone like Bjorn Borg at his prime age wouldn't be able to given the same body build he had when he was at the top of his form. |
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