Originally posted by DigiNut
*sigh* how many times must I repeat myself...
The burden of proof is on you to explain why these are logical explanations. It's not an argument to ask us "why not". Without evidence, without some sort of rationale, it's just idle, pointless, nonsensical speculation.
but I have given samples of evidence here. Footage that you yourself cannot hope to explain, but you are sure to say "THERE'S NO ING WAY THEY'RE ALIENS THOUGH! IT'S INPLAUSIBLE!" Well...the way they move (which is what I had been asking earlier) is what makes them look like CRAFT and since we do not have any craft that are 2 miles long and travel at those speeds, then whose ing CRAFT are they?
In one image, there are dozens of objects moving all around a twelve mile space tether lost from Columbia in 1996. What kind of space debris or ice centre in on a man made twelve mile tether, circling and pass it over and over and over? What kind of piece of natural phenomenon change direction on a dime at several thousands of miles per hour (don't forget it's a over 2 miles on diamter).
This is offical NASA footage released less than two months ago. This is evidence staring you in the face that suggests there's a lot happening out there and you call it illogical.
Dj Smitty20
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Originally posted by Sly_Guy
Who knew Agent Scully would cause so much damage to the understanding of the scientific method in the eyes of the general public?
The X-Files was a fictional show!
hmm....eastern European so I'm guessing you're Catholic? What do you make of your holy institution reaffirming the validity of the Catholic Church and its faith in God and Jesus Christ even in the presence of other intelligent life?
And I never watched the X Files actually.
hardcore trancer
Here is another incident that happend not too long ago,and this UFO was spotted by a British pilot.
Originally posted by DigiNut
*sigh* how many times must I repeat myself...
The burden of proof is on you to explain why these are logical explanations. It's not an argument to ask us "why not". Without evidence, without some sort of rationale, it's just idle, pointless, nonsensical speculation.
I honestly don't see the point in arguing anymore, he just keeps repeating the same thing over and over and over again. I don't think he understand that concept that while the existence of aliens is ONE possibility, there are others out there that may not be as thought out.
Sly_Guy
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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
hmm....eastern European so I'm guessing you're Catholic? What do you make of your holy institution reaffirming the validity of the Catholic Church and its faith in God and Jesus Christ even in the presence of other intelligent life?
And I never watched the X Files actually.
Actually, I'm not. But thanks for jumping to a conclusion based on yet another assumption!
spolitta
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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 Footage that you yourself cannot hope to explain, but you are sure to say "THERE'S NO ING WAY THEY'RE ALIENS THOUGH! IT'S INPLAUSIBLE!"
He never mentioned that the probability of those UFOs being Alien spacecrafts is zero. He simply has not seen enough evidence to believe in such a thing, but he would never say that those objects can't be alien crafts. He is probably just wondering why you are so sure that UFOs are in fact alien's craft.
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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 " Well...the way they move (which is what I had been asking earlier) is what makes them look like CRAFT and since we do not have any craft that are 2 miles long and travel at those speeds, then whose ing CRAFT are they?
Perhaps something beyond our current knowledge of existence? or maybe future time travelers from our own planet? or maybe it's a remotely controlled spacecraft from an unknown planet and government doesn't want to scare people, yet. Maybe some illusionists are messing with people since 1942? Or maybe they really are alien space crafts and they once used to live on our planet. Maybe these big heads are the ones who have been running our planet for centuries. But I don't know about this, and neither you do or anyone else. So stop pretending like you know about this more than us and just stop being so sure.
DigiNut
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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
but I have given samples of evidence here.
Evidence of what? Calling that evidence of sentient aliens is no different from calling it evidence of ESP when I ask you to pick a card and then I find it again after reshuffling the deck. It's evidence of something out of the ordinary, perhaps, but you don't necessarily know what.
Simply because you don't know how the trick is done does not mean that whatever cockamamie theory you come up with is somehow plausible. And again, you don't even have a theory here; your theory is "it's aliens", which is equivalent to saying that the card trick is "magic". What aliens? Who? Why? How? Must be at least 10 times people have asked you this and you still haven't come up with any sort of answer.
Fine then. I maintain that the lights are magic. I don't have to explain what kind of magic or who's doing it or how. That's not important. You can do your own research on that. The only important thing is that there are wizards who can do that and the government is clearly covering it up. Just look at all the videos of crazy lights and inanimate objects like clocks and desks somehow moving on their own. Just think about it; it has to be magic because there's no other explanation.
I've tried to carry on a halfway intelligent debate but all you do is repeat yourself. I'm concluding, as I did years ago but for some idiotic reason recently decided to give you a second chance, that you are a complete wit and not worth conversing with over any subject of substance.
Peace out.
Dj Smitty20
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Originally posted by spolitta
He never mentioned that the probability of those UFOs being Alien spacecrafts is zero. He simply has not seen enough evidence to believe in such a thing, but he would never say that those objects can't be alien crafts. He is probably just wondering why you are so sure that UFOs are in fact alien's craft.
Perhaps something beyond our current knowledge of existence? or maybe future time travelers from our own planet? or maybe it's a remotely controlled spacecraft from an unknown planet and government doesn't want to scare people, yet. Maybe some illusionists are messing with people since 1942? Or maybe they really are alien space crafts and they once used to live on our planet. Maybe these big heads are the ones who have been running our planet for centuries. But I don't know about this, and neither you do or anyone else. So stop pretending like you know about this more than us and just stop being so sure.
But that's the thing. I'm wondering why people are so sure and quick to say they aren't alien craft. By looking at that footage, the most plausible explanation to my eyes, and to many others, is that those are craft moving around the lightning storm, the tether and MIR. Nobody has provided a better guess at what they might be, except "ice debris".:rolleyes: They are moving at incredible speeds, appearing, disappearing, reappearing and changing directions in ways that our technology could never hope to achieve.
And I've never been "sure" about anything. I have only said that what is currently out there obviously has some validity to it and that it raises questions which we should be looking at openly and without censorship. Despite of all the evidence, all the testimony, the continued and increased sightings around the world, Diginut doesn't think it's worth investigating at this point. It makes no sense to me whatsoever how people can disagree on something so much, but I do not understand the constant negative spin he's trying to put on everything in this thread.
His basic argument is that we don't know what it is but we know almost for sure they aren't aliens so who cares about it at all? I find that insulting.
Dj Smitty20
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Originally posted by Sly_Guy
Actually, I'm not. But thanks for jumping to a conclusion based on yet another assumption!
well Eastern Europe is mostly Catholic, so it was a measured guess.
I haven't seen too many people comment on what the Church said though. I asked my ex girlfriend, a staunch (yet hypocritical...we weren't married but she sure loved her sex) Catholic about it last Fall and she didn't have an answer. She said the issue of alien life, etc was easier NOT to think about. And I really am starting to believe that's what it boils down to for many of you.
evil_cookie
Skeptic : "One who practices the method of suspended judgment, engages in rational and dispassionate reasoning as exemplified by the scientific method, shows willingness to consider alternative explanations without prejudice based on prior beliefs, and who seeks out evidence and carefully scrutinizes its validity."
then there is you :
someone get this bitch another tinfoil hat.
Dj Smitty20
Listen I have a friend who just graduated Aerospace Engineering at the University of Toronto. I've know him since we were 13 and he's one of the smartest people I've met. He is now working on his Masters and has been interviewed by NASA twice about joining them upon graduation. We aren't really close anymore since he moved away after high school but I contacted him directly when I saw this.
He has seen the footage I've posted on here...specifically the recently leaked NASA footage. Keep in mind that his man is an areospace engineer and has spent over ten years studying physics and engine propolsion.
Do you know what he said to me on MSN tonight? Here is the exact message.
"Listen, whatever those things are, I can't explain them. We don't have anything that can reach those speeds and maneuvre like that, especially in space. I'm not one to believe in government coverups, but my best guess based on those images are that they are vehicles. We aren't able to construct any vehicles for space flight at anywhere NEAR that size. The cost in fuel alone would be astronomical and there are dozens of them in some of the images. This film leaves me at a loss as to what to say. They aren't ours and now I really want to know who's they are and how they do it. That's my honest answer."
Dj Smitty20
so basically, think what you want. I'm getting tired of argy barging with some of you, but I won't back down from an argument and you keep on posting. We're only really talking at each other anyway...one side is not going to get through to the other.
