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EDM Vs. hiphop/rap who will win (pg. 4)
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who would win?!?
even with the grown up mclovin geek next to vilalalaloollbos in the glasses :stongue: |
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| Elyyse |
| quote: | Originally posted by eyebegod
Jay Z is saying the rap game is stale...and he is right. EDM is the future |
Agree very very much. But Jay-Z is one of the few rappers I still respect, LOVE him. Seen him 7 times baby.. startin in 97 when his hit was 'Sunshine' ... much respect....
EDM is def the future tho, they dont know it yet... but its comin! |
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| Shamez214 |
As far as rap goes (it's only natural I explain), this is my theory as to why people say it "sucks" now as opposed to 10 - 15 years ago.
Back then, when hip hop really started taking off and Nas, 2pac, Biggie, Mobb Deep, etc. were all beginning, their music was being played on the radio. Heavily. These were singles and people were bumping that like crazy.
Now, at the same time, there were still underground MCs who were just as good and whose songs sounded very similar to the popular stuff, just not getting the radio play that those other artists were getting.
Fast-forward to now, and you got Soulja Boy and Jim Jones on the radio. If Wu Tang dropped Protect ya Neck now as opposed to in 1993, they would NEVER get as big as they are. Songs like that will not get played on the radio. And MCs like Jay-Z realized this, thus they switched their styles up to appease the masses.
Again, at the same time, there are underground MCs who are great and consistently put out good music. Yet, the sound didn't change. Underground hip hop is still dope. Very dope actually.
You just have to know where to look. And therein lies the problem. While I never gave up on hip hop and continued to search for it, other people gave up and moved on.
But, the funny thing is, you're "searching" for EDM. The you like is not mainstream. It's not played on the radio. You have to search for it. You only know about 90% of the DJs you like through trial and error. You download a set or go to a club to see what he sounds like.
Yet you don't do that with hip hop. So it kinda is a double standard to say that hip hop sucks now as opposed to back then. I could just as easily say "trance sucks now as opposed to 1999," but then I'm sure that I just haven't searched for the good stuff like I used to.
I know this is kinda off-topic, but there aren't many hip hop related threads I can post in. |
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| eyebegod |
even though you make some good points about having to search for it, you gotta take a history lesson my man...rap didn't start with nas biggie and 2pac...what bout 10 years before that w/ the last poets, afrikaa bombaataa holleren at the zooloo nation, and even (kinda late in teh game) nwa...even though flava flave is a fool...dre and ice cube held it down.
Where i dissagre with you is that it's stale right now cuz it got away from the message. Rap was about rebelling and bringing up the minority and fighting a political fight. It was an art form that unified the masses and worked for a greater good. That was amazing. How can you unify and get behind rappers today talkin bout selling drugs, ing pigeon heads, and beating up one another. YOU CAN'T and that is why rap is stale, It has moved away from the roots and began to exemplify and celebritize the people staying in the hood. |
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| The Vza |
damn straight noah... eyebegod be knowin bout the rap gods. UUUGH.
im sayin... i know some people that used to listen to EDM like 10 years ago who think trance as a genre is a joke period. They are only down with minimal now. and danny T, jeff mills, josh wink, and laurent garnier. like that. and the carl cox style of old.
There are also hip-hop heads that are actually hip-hop heads, not thugs with fitted hats or these kids with tight pants and velcro fruity pebbled bape shoes, I mean hip-hop heads who are bout that musical style of the old days... 80's/early 90's and some styles of today, like the taht comes of the Def Jux label.
its like, there are so many self-proclaimed ultimate fans these days that claim to know everything about everything. and that this guy's a sell out and that guy's a poser. I hate all those ing labels.
I have decided this... from now on I just like music. No particular genre. just any music that is from the heart, has appeal to me, and carries a good message. AND that the person who created it did it not necessarily for the sole purpose of making money, but to get people's heads noddin. Some people might say Lil' John sucks, that, he's nasty. Some people might say that Cascada is some corny pop , but if they get people movin and feeling good, whats the problem?? I hate these music purists.
im not calling anyone on TA a music purist. But if my post right here got you mad, then mabye you should think about your values as a fan. Im not talking to anyone specific here, just ranting... and avoiding writing my english paper.
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| eyebegod |
| word...thats it...word |
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| brian6000 |
| i first started spinning hip hop in college when i bought a set of cheap numark tables from a buddy of mine. probably the first couple hundred records i bought were underground hip hop, or whatever cheap stuff was in the used bin at the record store. for some reason i could never find EDM records, even though i looked. i'd always been interested in the various forms of dance music, but it simply wasn't as available. it took going to the dance record sites online to find good EDM vinyl. lots of people are making money on rap music nowadays, which waters down the quality of the music, by and large. there is plenty of subpar EDM too, but the fact that it's so much more work to find it and hear it makes the DJ that much more important to the EDM community. at the end of the day, it doesn't bother me that EDM isn't mainstream in the US. it does somewhat bother me that its hard to get a banging dancefloor together in charlottesville, but hey, its a small town. i think music goes in the direction of the people, and if people want to act hard (we all love to front in america) then maybe rap is more appealing to the masses. but theres no question about it--if you want a earth shaking, sardine dancefloor PARTY, you better have some EDM on, a DJ worth their salt, and a killer soundsystem. let it stay underground; it's more beautiful there, and less likely to wear out and die. |
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| The Vza |
PS
let it be known that I'M the mother****** who was freestyling with big mike when sasha and digs came to Webster Hall.. gotta love that house-hop |
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| EnigmaT |
I think that everyone has it in them to like whatever they are exposed to the most. At some point we all just choose to break away from normal society and take a chance listening to what nobody else was listening to. Society is bulit on what's shown on TV & broadcasted over the radio. Electronic music is neither, & nobody will chance time or money testing it.
If electronic music was never invented we would all be into something else (IE: Rock, Rap, Punk) and would like it just as much.
Let's say there was some plague that kills off every musical artist in the world except for EDM artists. After the plague, only electronic music on the radio. MTV replaced with PVD or AVB. People would then be forced to listen to it, and after time they would learn to love it.
Same thing could happen the other way around. If EDM became non-existant then we all just wouldn't stop listening to music. This site would be called RapAddict and we would all be posting :thepirate |
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| Shamez214 |
| quote: | Originally posted by eyebegod
even though you make some good points about having to search for it, you gotta take a history lesson my man...rap didn't start with nas biggie and 2pac...what bout 10 years before that w/ the last poets, afrikaa bombaataa holleren at the zooloo nation, and even (kinda late in teh game) nwa...even though flava flave is a fool...dre and ice cube held it down. |
I never said hip hop "started" then.
| quote: | Originally posted by eyebegod
Where i dissagre with you is that it's stale right now cuz it got away from the message. Rap was about rebelling and bringing up the minority and fighting a political fight. It was an art form that unified the masses and worked for a greater good. That was amazing. How can you unify and get behind rappers today talkin bout selling drugs, ing pigeon heads, and beating up one another. YOU CAN'T and that is why rap is stale, It has moved away from the roots and began to exemplify and celebritize the people staying in the hood. |
So you're saying that, since 1993, hip hop has sucked?
And, in anycase, you missed the entire point of what I said because there are still artists who are talking about those things. It's just that 50 Cent is what sells these days, not Slum Village. |
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| Greggy4202k |
Wow, this is an awesome thread, i just started catch up on it.
Vza makes some real good points. Overall, people will like what they will like, and not everyone agrees.
In general though, once a musical act gets big and blows up, the people who listened to them originally say that the artist sold out. Meanwhile, the newbs think that the artist is the best thing ever. thats just a cycle of artist-life. I mean, weazy baby was nasty a few years ago w/ his mix tapes, and now he is singing hooks for shawty-lo and t-pain. Same w. 50 cent. Once they blew up, they had a much larger audience to appeal to and try to capatilize on that. AVB and Tiesto were both ranked #1 and they both have dumbed down their sets to appeal to the masses, imo.
I think that the state of rap has changed a lot. It used to be about the rapper and his rhymes and thoughts. Now, its all about the producer and the beats. That is why soulja boy can be a monster on the charts when his rhymes are weak ( is wizeak!). I mean, timbaland and storch are having beef, swizz beatz made an album, etc. Producers are the ones creating rap music today, not neccessarily the rappers. The other thing is that a lot of the new rap that is coming out is all the same lyrically. I mean, how many times can you talk about your benz, your gucci, the amount of money you make, the amount of drugs you deal, and the amount of people you kill. Back in 90's, this was a new message from the streets (think NWA - the Police), but now, everyone saying that stuff. I think cats like Lupe Fiasco are the future. He';s got mad skillz, interesting and thought provoking lyrics and good beats.
Again, this is all just my opinion. |
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| The Vza |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shamez214
I never said hip hop "started" then.
So you're saying that, since 1993, hip hop has sucked?
And, in anycase, you missed the entire point of what I said because there are still artists who are talking about those things. It's just that 50 Cent is what sells these days, not Slum Village. |
I stopped listening to rap on a regular basis i'm guessing in the summer of 2006. Id been feeling disillusioned for maybe 4-5 years prior, so that'd be 01 or 02. The only MC's putting out new music in this decade that ive really listened to were Ludacris, The LOX, Nas, Jay Electronica, Pete Rock (producer), The Alchemist (producer), Clipse, Royce da 5'9", Eminem, Big Noyd, and Wu Tang. I mean, I'm sure there are more, but my point is that how many of those artists made BIG money off singles... luda, clipse and eminem
So my question is who are the those guys of EDM? and who are the pop stars of EDM? I mean, armin is pretty motherf'ing popular, and he is definitely no MTV pop whore |
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