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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
As long as the Palestinians are violently subjugated and the Middle East interfered with, there will always be a pissed off Muslim.. |
Never mind the violent interference of the Palestinians with the daily lives of Israeli civilians, right?
:rolleyes:
Funny how you see the "wipe Israel off the map" rhetoric on the radical Muslim side, but almost nothing comparable said by Israelis.
Moral equivalence isn't always a sign of a broad mind. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Funny how you see the "wipe Israel off the map" rhetoric on the radical Muslim side, but almost nothing comparable said by Israelis. |
sorry, that's just not true.
frontline documentary
dont forget that rabin was assassinated by an israeli extremist. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
sorry, that's just not true. |
Note the word "almost."
Israeli extremists exist, certainly, but I know of no Israelis, not even the far-righters who simply want to kick all the Palestinians out by force, who call for the extermination of all Muslims everywhere. But there are plenty of examples of Muslims who want to kill all Jews. Mein Kampf is still a popular text over there, you know. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
Note also how the article portrays the Jewish leadership (like the security chief) as combating Jewish extremism.
The response to terrorist cells among Palestinian leadership has been not any attempt to stamp it out, but tacit support and then cowardly public disavowal. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Note the word "almost."
Israeli extremists exist, certainly, but I know of no Israelis, not even the far-righters who simply want to kick all the Palestinians out by force, who call for the extermination of all Muslims everywhere. But there are plenty of examples of Muslims who want to kill all Jews. Mein Kampf is still a popular text over there, you know. |
the biggest difference is the way in which the media reports on the violence in the middle east. the US media specifically and especially pushes a pro israel agenda.
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Note also how the article portrays the Jewish leadership (like the security chief) as combating Jewish extremism.
The response to terrorist cells among Palestinian leadership has been not any attempt to stamp it out, but tacit support and then cowardly public disavowal. |
oh look, im not gonna get drawn into an argument about the complexities of the region :D just wanted to point out that extremism in israel is alive and well and that it is no less prevalent than it is in palestine. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Israeli extremists exist, certainly, but I know of no Israelis, not even the far-righters who simply want to kick all the Palestinians out by force, who call for the extermination of all Muslims everywhere. But there are plenty of examples of Muslims who want to kill all Jews. Mein Kampf is still a popular text over there, you know. |
There was a good thing on Dateline or 20/20 or something like that about this (your definition of good may vary). They took 10 Palestinian kids, and 10 Israeli kids and put them all together in a camp. They all bonded, became friends, etc. They went to every one of the former children 10 years (or maybe it was 5 years, I forget) and all but maybe 1 or 2 said they hated the other. They would never be caught dead fraternizing or coexisting with the other.
Also, a friend of mine and also a former coworker of mine are both from Israel and moved to the US. One was in her 20s when she did, and the other moved with his parents when he was like 13. They both say that both sides are ing idiots about it all. Neither wants to compromise and settle for peace. |
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| neovalkyr |
| There is a god and we can see it. Its the sun! the sun created all that we see before us, therefore it is our god. Or maybe God is the planet earth ? If we would recognize the earth as god maybe we wouldn't be so quick to it over. |
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| BTG |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
and i still want pat's babies. |
i always thought you were too bitchy to be a guy. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_
ing hell. Dawkins is truly the DJ Sammy of the science world. The only book he came close to be good at writing was The Blind Watchmaker, and even that was shaky. |
What was so bad about The God Delusion? It's pretty spot on logically. If you can get past Dawkins' obvious contempt for religion that can sometimes cloud the points he is making, it's a damn good book. If anyone likes this genre, check out Sam Harris' books:
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Never mind the violent interference of the Palestinians with the daily lives of Israeli civilians, right?
:rolleyes: |
You've probably never thought about why Palestinians put up a fight. Let me lay it out for you. Occupation/Colonization. Gaza is under a blockade. The West Bank is cut up like swiss cheese with hundreds of Israeli settlements which are off-limits to Palestinians. Palestine is a failed state and I can see why. Yet people like you wonder why the Palestinians are always seemingly fighting. Well now you know..
| quote: | Funny how you see the "wipe Israel off the map" rhetoric on the radical Muslim side, but almost nothing comparable said by Israelis.
Moral equivalence isn't always a sign of a broad mind. |
You must be referring to Mahmoud Ahmedinijad's supposed "Wipe Israel off the map" speech. Well, guess what, he never said that. This is what he said...
"The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad)."
Yes, he called for "regime change". Something the United States has not only called for, but taken aggressive actions to do so with countries that stand in the way of Zionist/American domination. Meanwhile, Iran has not attacked another country for centuries...
I think you forgot that Israel has something in the neighborhood of 200-300 nuclear weapons. To attack Israel would amount to national suicide for the aggressor. Think about it... |
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| The17sss |
| Krypton, when did you become such a Palestinian sympathizer? You sound reaaaaaly pro palestine and reaaaaaaly anti israel. am i right? |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Krypton, when did you become such a Palestinian sympathizer? You sound reaaaaaly pro palestine and reaaaaaaly anti israel. am i right? |
It's not about being pro-anything. I believe that apartheid, military occupations, and blockading of an economy result in the inevitable failure of a state. In this case, the Palestinians can't even establish their own state. And failed states are breeding ground for terrorism resulting from economic collapse, instability, and nationalist rage against the perceived enemy. They didn't just wake up one day and decide to fight jihad. There are real underlying problems which need to be addressed.
If it were up to me, I'de substantially cut off aide to Israel, and treat them as any other nation in the world we have friendly relations with. Because frankly, our country, which lies on the other side of the world, has been dragged into their conflict. I believe it is George Washington who said, "No entangling alliances." Well, we've got plenty of them.. |
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