Originally posted by Blake_Jarrell
I've reached the point, as a dj, where I'm looking through every genre section to find good records now. I find its easier to make records work together from different genres presently than it was say 4 years ago.
This is basically exactly what spurned the creation of this thread. :)
I feel pretty much the same way.
nefardec
perfect example for this thread:
gummihz - under the sun
mobilee meets armada
Dyshein
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Originally posted by nefardec
also jivebo,
i think your definition of trance as some 'high register' music is wayy too technical and misses the whole point of the documentary you have in your sig.
maybe the peppy dancey pvd kind of stuff, but listen to the track at 4:45 and 5:50 in that video.
in general, i will agree that trance music was more high-energy, but again, ill argue that this was for two reasons:
drugs
young age of listeners/patrons
today's producers and crowds are older. they make slower and more dynamic music for their sensitive old ears and bodies. and i already mentioned the drugs
kids still get into high energy music like pendulum dnb, pvd trance, hard dance for the same reasons. then their taste gets progressively slower and deeper until they start listening to ambient, post rock, and shoegaze...
I think that's a bit of a generalization, the age issue anyways. Age doesn't necessarily equate to slower taste in music, it may be the case for some people but I abhor anything that tries to streamline the aging process. I would think a more plausible explanation would simply be that after listening to high-energy EDM for years and years the same old leeds and synths just start to wear out, hence people start listening to different genres. I realize it isn't on the topic of trance progression, but age is nothing more than a number, only when you accept the generalization about the "inevitable" results of age (physical and mental attenuation) do you become a slave to the socializing aspects of society. Totally off topic, but something I feel is very important to avoid.
nefardec
obviously i'm not claiming that for everyone individually
but i'm almost certain if you took a poll and asked people their ages and what they listened to and found the bpms of those tracks, if you averaged them, it would be faster when younger and slower when older.
elFreak
the changes in drug use patterns can also be associated with the bpm lowering imo.
i can't deal with anything over 130 for too long anymore.
MrJiveBoJingles
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Originally posted by nefardec
but i'm almost certain if you took a poll and asked people their ages and what they listened to and found the bpms of those tracks, if you averaged them, it would be faster when younger and slower when older.
Yep.
I think that people generally listen to more "extreme" music in their youth, either very melodramatic, obviously emotional stuff or just very fast, high energy things. As they age they start to prefer more "reflective" stuff, either slower-paced or just generally less melodramatic and over-the-top emotional.
I've seen that happen in lots of people, including myself.
elFreak
drugs drugs drugs drugs drugs;)
MichaelBoogerd!
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Originally posted by nefardec
all of the people who were into that stuff in the late 90s and early 00s are today championing so-called minimal tech house with the same sounds
Nicely put, I agree with RJT this is the most "purest" form of trance music as we knew it from 95-98... before the music turned into some kind of self-loathing pop industry machine.
Interesting though, that all the guys who i thought made really great dark, techno-oriented trance music in the late 90's are now making this minimal- or tech- house with the same attention to melody as they did 10 to 15 years ago.
I'm much more down with getting all melodically emo over Davis & May - Amica (Luca & Chevel Remix) than i would be quick to admit i like the latest Tyas production. Is that qa question of taste? Or are guys who've been in the scene for 10 years or more just drawn to the same sounds and production quality that they entered the scene with?
I've always associated the term trance with the actual effect of the music rather than if xx melodies or layers are present, or if Armin spins it or not. Trance is a feeling not a genre.
nefardec
i would say it's just out of style
just like kids who grow up wearing ufo pants to fit in and now have to walk around in their early 30s with scarves and fedoras to be cool, or a tshirt with a nifty graphic design instead of a smiley face or alien
i think it's totally related to a generation getting older.
MrJiveBoJingles
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Originally posted by nefardec
just like kids who grow up wearing ufo pants to fit in and now have to walk around in their early 30s with scarves and fedoras to be cool, or a tshirt with a nifty graphic design instead of a smiley face or alien
Why is it that fashions only rotate back to twentieth century stuff? I say we bring back mutton chops or coats with frilly cuffs or elaborate white wigs.
Imagine a club filled with people dressed like George Washington or King Henry VIII.
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i think it's totally related to a generation getting older.
I wonder what will happen as they get even older, in their forties and fifties and sixties.
A turn to prog rock or folk music? :clown:
[Edit: Or maybe ambient.]
nefardec
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Why is it that fashions only rotate back to twentieth century stuff? I say we bring back mutton chops or coats with frilly cuffs or elaborate white wigs.
Imagine a club filled with people dressed like George Washington or King Henry VIII.
seems like you haven't been to nyc in a while :p
there are people wearing tights, tunics, and peasant like pointy shoes
there is a whole subculture of hipsters wearing civil war style facial hair and even hats and girls with corsets and vintage dresses.
weird
MrJiveBoJingles
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Originally posted by nefardec
seems like you haven't been to nyc in a while :p
I've never been, actually.
It's kind of amusing that people are actually doing that, though.
