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Just Bought New Computer...Is This Good? (pg. 6)
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| jpistone |
vertigo dont waste your time. hes got more money than brains!
| quote: | Originally posted by VERTiG0
Yes I realize that my CPU is being slowly damaged. Big goddamn deal. If it dies I replace it. Cheap as hell.
You CAN absogoddamnlutely make up for lack of cache memory with clock speed. Take that Q9300 and ramp it up to 3.5 or 3.6GHz, and hell yeah it'll be beating that Q9450 in most (oh holy , exceptions!) applications.
I know this is a synthetic benchmark but it's impossible to really measure real world performance.
Look at that. 3.33GHz on the E2160 and it is within 1 point of the E6850, which has 4 times the amount of L2 cache memory. The E2160, with its mere 1MB of L2 cache is nearly on par with a CPU costing 4 times as much money at their respective times of release and needs just 333MHz more than the E6850 cranks out stock to do so. What's that you say? "Oh but Cale, golly gophers sir that isn't a white paper from Intel themselves! Surely it is flawed and therefore should be taken with a grain of salt!" Maybe, but you go find me another half-decent way of comparing performance.
Again, tell me why it's a bad idea? You'll have a very, very small number of CPUs that really do die prematurely. My Athlon (Thunderbird core) 800 ran at 1.1GHz for almost 5 years before I retired it, and those were about the hottest things ever.
Regardless of whether or not something in the CPU is being damaged, if it does not affect the end user in any way, explain to me why that is detrimental.
Overclocking is absolutely a fine idea if you know what you're doing and realize the consequences (or lack thereof, 99% of the time). |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by VERTiG0
You CAN absogoddamnlutely make up for lack of cache memory with clock speed. Take that Q9300 and ramp it up to 3.5 or 3.6GHz, and hell yeah it'll be beating that Q9450 in most (oh holy , exceptions!) applications. |
Do you have any evidence for this claim other than a benchmark that's based largely on (surprise!) clock speed? Tell me, what exactly is a "point"?
You're just pulling stuff out of your ass now.
I never said the CPUs would die prematurely - I suppose it could but that would take years. What will happen is that it will become more unstable. You know that thing people love to call "OS Decay"? Overclocking is a major factor. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by jpistone
vertigo dont waste your time. hes got more money than brains! |
Dude, you do realize that you're supposed to put the quoted material BEFORE your response, right? Otherwise how the are people supposed to know what you're replying to? People don't like to read conversations backwards. |
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| jpistone |
I like to to put the quoted material AFTER my response. People that are current with the thread dont need to read it first or twice. Its more efficient. I learnt it from the borg your heros.
That's what I do.
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Dude, you do realize that you're supposed to put the quoted material BEFORE your response, right? Otherwise how the are people supposed to know what you're replying to? People don't like to read conversations backwards. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by jpistone
I like to to put the quoted material AFTER my response.
That's what I do. |
I'm sure you think that's very clever, but it's effectively the same as saying that you like to fill your pants with mulch before you leave home in the morning.
Making fun of clichés != failing at quoting |
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| love_child |
| So I picked up my PC on Tuesday and I tried to install Vista 64-bit and it wasnt detecting my SATA HD. Turns out the douche who assembled it connected it as RAID and not SATA so I had to take it back because they put a sticer on the back that if removed voids the warranty. I got it back today and now Im having another problem. When I plug the DVI connection into the PC and turn it on I dont get any picture on my Monitor. It just keeps flashing back and forth between Digital signal and Analog...seems like it cant pick up the signal but Im on my old computer and its working fine so it cant be the monitor. Must be the new video card. Now I have to take it back again tomorrow...Im so ing pissed! |
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| jpistone |
No I always quote like this because it makes sense just like purchasing an LCD televisions and a PS3 for gaming at a price of $2000 makes more sense than purchasing a gaming workstation for $2000. Its unforunate that you can't see the clarity in my argument. Ive decided I can accept your disabilty its something you were born with.
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
I'm sure you think that's very clever, but it's effectively the same as saying that you like to fill your pants with mulch before you leave home in the morning.
Making fun of clichés != failing at quoting |
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| love_child |
| quote: | Originally posted by jpistone
No I always quote like this because it makes sense just like purchasing an LCD televisions and a PS3 for gaming at a price of $2000 makes more sense than purchasing a gaming workstation for $2000. Its unforunate that you can't see the clarity in my argument. Ive decided I can accept your disabilty its something you were born with. |
BTW Im using my computer for a whole load of things that you cannot do on a PS3
Can you use Photoshop on a PS3? What about a quick check of the email.
A PC is much more convenient.
Its personal preferance. |
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| jpistone |
Play games at resolutions up to 1080p.
Play old PS1/2 games and upscale them (with adjustable settings). *Not available on 40GB model.
Play supported games online (for free) over the Playstation Network.
Play Blu-Ray movies.
Play normal DVD9 movies and upscale them.
Play every disc format, including SACD (40GB doesn't support SACD at all), (cannot copy SACD's to HDD).
Import audio CD's to internal HDD (supported formats: ACC, MP3, ATRAC).
Encode Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD Master Audio!
Connect to and browse the internet.
Use almost any USB mouse/keyboard.
Connect to your home network for streaming media (picture, music, movies).
Can Fold.
Connect to your PSP (via ad hoc mode, or over the internet) for streaming media (remote play).
Download game demos/content as well as hi-def movie trailers from the PS Store (supports multiple downloads).
Buy and download PS1 and PSP games via the PS Store.
Run an alternative operating system (linux).
Chat and send messages (chat, video, voice) with other PS3 users.
Print pictures with a supported printer.
Upgrade the internal HDD to any 2.5" hard drive.
Connect and use external USB hard drives and other devices.
Use your cell phone's Blue-Tooth headset.
Use emoticons during chat.
Use custom backgrounds.
Use custom themes and icons in the XMB.
Turn on the PS3 via PSP with Remote Play.
View news and other information from the XMB via Information Board.
Voice Changer lets you change the pitch of your voice when using a mic
Export audio/photo playlists to the PSP
Use your PSP as a remote control for audio playback (so the TV can be off)
Can save targets (ie. images) on websites with the PS3's browser.
Backup (creates an image more or less) your entire HDD (games, saves, etc).
Can now access the XMB while gaming, to include Friends List.
Listen to custom soundtracks (game must support this feature).
Google search from the XMB.
Earn Trophies (like 360 Accomplishments).
| quote: | Originally posted by love_child
BTW Im using my computer for a whole load of things that you cannot do on a PS3
Can you use Photoshop on a PS3? What about a quick check of the email.
A PC is much more convenient.
Its personal preferance. |
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| jpistone |
| im not saying a PS3 replaces the neeed for a computer. I am saying that for gaming it makes more sense to buy a big ass LCD and hook it up to your PS3 and connect a standard PC to it rather than spend all that money on a Gaming machine. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by jpistone
No I always quote like this because it makes sense |
Which wraps up this argument handily. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by jpistone
im not saying a PS3 replaces the neeed for a computer. I am saying that for gaming it makes more sense to buy a big ass LCD and hook it up to your PS3 and connect a standard PC to it rather than spend all that money on a Gaming machine. |
And what part of "I don't really play games" in the original post did you not understand?
Crazy as it may be, some people use their computers for purposes other than playing games! |
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