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Does Ebonics exemplify American laziness or efficiency? (pg. 7)
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| whiskers |
| quote: | Originally posted by david.michael
Every one of my black friends loathes the term and thinks it is stupid and counter-productive. I think it's funny when white people feel they are doing them a favor by using the term. |
an attractive and successful African-American.
how many blacks are actually African??
also, what's up with the Bostonians saying "idear"? are they really compensating for "pahking cahs"?
innit? |
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| KiNeTiC ENeRgY |
| Let's not forget the Jersey Shore peeps, and the Staten Island folks :wtf: |
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| MeLLyMeL |
| quote: | Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY
Let's not forget the Jersey Shore peeps, and the Staten Island folks :wtf: |
they make me cringe.
Especially old loud Brooklyn folks.
I just hate the loudness and obnoxious way the pronounce .
ugh!
SI Moms sound like they are in fuking highschool. Ridic. |
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| T-Soma |
| quote: | Originally posted by SuspicionVandit
I don't understand the need for education to involve English (or any country's respective language) classes past the elementary level. |
I really hope you are not being serious.
I don't know if the system is the same over there but learning the primary language as a subject at school usually involves a lot more than just learning big words and using them in sentences.
Formally teaching ebonics is cruel and unfair. How the hell can you possibly be articulate when you cant even structure a full sentence correctly.
ebonics and the ty rap that uses it to endorse being a dumb-ass failure. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| Mel, haha you have yet to really hear me. I am pretty loud. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
You study linguistics too? |
English Studies- 50% linguistics, 50% literature. So I have a sort of jack-of-all-trades degree. The linguistics guys kick my ass with their present perfect tenses and modal auxiliary verbs, while the literature folks out-quote me at Shakespeare without working up a sweat, but I know a bit of everything. Enough to know the Ebonics is in no way, shape or form a creole, for example.
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
Oh please. The only reason you use it is because your ancestors wanted to get away from the English as much as possible and now use a bastardized form of it. |
Would you like some salt on your epic fail? |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
English Studies- 50% linguistics, 50% literature. So I have a sort of jack-of-all-trades degree. The linguistics guys kick my ass with their present perfect tenses and modal auxiliary verbs |
Nah, you're fine, I was actually happy to see someone else making sense in this thread :) |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Nah, you're fine, I was actually happy to see someone else making sense in this thread :) |
I RESENT THAT. :mad: |
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| david.michael |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Nah, you're fine, I was actually happy to see someone else making sense in this thread :) |
Hey, it's not my fault that I compiled a list of meaningless drivel in an attempt to be funny, counting on the ignorance of the typical TA poster to get my by, meanwhile getting my nonsense dragged out into the light by a linguist and unveiled as nothing but elaborate BS.
Wait, ...yeah it is. :( |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Incorrect. Ebonics is not a creole. A creole is a pidgin with native speakers. A pidgin is a language created from at least two existing languages (at least one substrate and a superstrate) in situations where there is no common language between speakers and one must be created out of necessity.
Ebonics is merely a dialect of one source language: American English. It is only less correct than "proper speaking" through largely arbitrary processes of standardisation. It's definitely arguable that teaching a dialect over standardised language is wrong as it limits the communication and options of the pupil, but there is nothing essentially different about Ebonics from the way any of you talk when you deviate from completely standardised American English, and as such there's nothing inherently wrong with it either.
Motherfucker. |
While I am by no means as knowledgeable as you in the linguistic studies, am I not mistaken that the "creole" of any language is a simplified form of that language? |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by david.michael
Hey, it's not my fault that I compiled a list of meaningless drivel in an attempt to be funny, counting on the ignorance of the typical TA poster to get my by, meanwhile getting my nonsense dragged out into the light by a linguist and unveiled as nothing but elaborate BS.
Wait, ...yeah it is. :( |
Hey, you're fine too. Like I said, your post was funny, and that was your original intention so... this thread is still made of win :p |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
While I am by no means as knowledgeable as you in the linguistic studies, am I not mistaken that the "creole" of any language is a simplified form of that language? |
You are mistaken. Creoles are simplified forms of languages, but they are simplified forms of at least two languages. People often use the terms "creole" and "pidgin" to describe simplified language (IE: "pidgin English") but that's technically incorrect. Using the term like that is a bit like calling all EDM "techno"- a lot of people do it, but they're misusing the word. |
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