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| jupiterone |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
We've essentially learned all from 9/11.
all. |
we've actually gotten dumber because of it
let me quote dubya:
"those wmd's gotta be somewhere!" |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
That and preemptive war has set one the most terrible precedents the civilised world could have asked for in the new millennium. |
Perhaps, but it arguably could have been cast as something other than a "pre-emptive war" -- the justified overthrowing of a despotic, mass-murdering leader, for example -- and been handled much better without turning into the disaster that it did. |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Perhaps, but it arguably could have been cast as something other than a "pre-emptive war" -- the justified overthrowing of a despotic, mass-murdering leader, for example -- and been handled much better without turning into the disaster that it did. |
There are plenty others. It was preemptive war and nothing else but that. It wasn't even a war to avert any threat. It was wholly unnecessary.
Nothing is any better than if Saddam were still in power right now. In fact, the daily lives of many Iraqis would most likely be far better. |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Perhaps, but it arguably could have been cast as something other than a "pre-emptive war" -- the justified overthrowing of a despotic, mass-murdering leader, for example |
...who just happens to be sitting on top of a mountain of oil and adjacent to several other oil rich countries as well.
Any way you slice it, there were plenty of people as worthy, if not more worthy, of U.S. intervention in the name of humanitarian efforts than Iraq was.
Could it have been handled better? Sure, but no one else cared - save for us, that is. |
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| Zild |
| Flying to New York in six hours in rememberence. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
There are plenty others. |
Plenty of other mass-murdering dictators? Certainly. Hopefully they can eventually be toppled as well.
| quote: | | It wasn't even a war to avert any threat. |
If you mean that Iraq was no immediate threat to the United States, then of course you're right -- but that has not been the chief criterion used for deploying U.S. forces for quite some time.
| quote: | | Nothing is any better than if Saddam were still in power right now. In fact, the daily lives of many Iraqis would most likely be far better. |
Quite possibly so. The whole thing could have been handled much better than it was, and I agree that it wasn't "necessary" in the narrow sense you seemed to have in mind. |
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| woscar99 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Plenty of other mass-murdering dictators? Certainly. Hopefully they can eventually be toppled as well |
The US will show no interest in "toppling" any other mass-murdering dictators unless there's oil involved.
| quote: | | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles If you mean that Iraq was no immediate threat to the United States, then of course you're right -- but that has not been the chief criterion used for deploying U.S. forces for quite some time. |
Are you aware of how stupid your statement is? Actually not your statement, but the fact that you are using this as a valid argument to defend your points. |
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| Alex |
I can't wait for another surge in the polls for John McCain because of this.
After all, he can stop hijacked planes with his experience powers.
National security.
Ready to lead.
Judgement.
Drill.
My friends.
Sarah Palin.
9/11.
/election |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by woscar99
The US will show no interest in "toppling" any other mass-murdering dictators unless there's oil involved. |
Maybe not.
I have quite a cynical view of politics, too, by the way.
I always liked Mencken's statement that democracy is a competition among charlatans for the votes of idiots.
:D
| quote: | | Are you aware of how stupid your statement is? Actually not your statement, but the fact that you are using this as a valid argument to defend your points. |
Well, I am just pointing out that narrow isolationism has not been typical American policy for a long time. Maybe you want to argue that it should be, that humanitarian or long-range political concerns rather than immediate danger should never be motivation enough to go to war. I can certainly sympathize with that idea, but I don't think I agree with it. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by woscar99
The US will show no interest in "toppling" any other mass-murdering dictators unless there's oil involved. |
show me that the US has received a single drop of oil from iraq. |
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| nchs09 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alex
I can't wait for another surge in the polls for John McCain because of this.
After all, he can stop hijacked planes with his experience powers.
National security.
Ready to lead.
Judgement.
Drill.
My friends.
Sarah Palin.
9/11.
/election |
so all of that you rate as 9/11 points? |
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| Alex |
| quote: | Originally posted by nchs09
so all of that you rate as 9/11 points? |
Huh?
No, it's more of a combination of all of that PLUS 9/11 that's going to appear in just about every one of his speeches for the next week. |
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