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Bush Stuffs Israelis on Iranian Nukes (pg. 3)
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
never criticized Bush foreign policy and i'm not starting now.
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you realise that you pretty much lose your credibility when you start saying things like that right? :cool: |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
i agree. but not for the same reasons you harbor. i see it as america harming its international relations, not because iran is going to destroy america or whatever distorted view you have about iranian power. |
There is a reason that Bush hasn't done much except TALK about Iran. Yes, I agree that the current Iranian regime is deserving of surveillance by outside powers and that some of their views are "radical".
However, all this talk of air strikes and a US invasion into Iran? It's complete suicide. The entire Muslim world would not tolerate it and the amount of violence it would create in the region and the terrorism is would spark in the western world...the idea is simply ludicrous. Not to mention the fact that Iran has a real military and real fighter aircraft. American planes would be taking a lot of hits and their ground forces and tanks would actually have real shells flying at them. You think 4,000 deaths in Iraq is high? The number of American casualties in an invasion would be a very scary sight. Plus all the of the "insurgent" activity that would start up almost immediately....
Obama's approach seems much more sensible. Diplomacy is absolutely key right now. Just ignoring the so called "axis of evil", as McCain seems to want to do, doesn't solve anything. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
you realise that you pretty much lose your credibility when you start saying things like that right? :cool: |
you realise putting a "cool" smiley after your responses makes you gay, right? |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
you realise putting a "cool" smiley after your responses makes you gay, right? |
gay? am I retarded too? You sound like a Republican to me!
oh and by the way... :cool:
I am ing cool!:cool: |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
i agree. but not for the same reasons you harbor. i see it as america harming its international relations, not because iran is going to destroy america or whatever distorted view you have about iranian power. |
Thats actually what I meant.I dont think there is any country that can fight the American millitary except a few.
The reason why I think Iran could make alot of damage on the American side is because they have troops all around them aka Afghanistan and Iraq and they are easy targets.Also the fact that Iran continues to be underestimated by the American eyes.It wont a be easy battle for Americans thats for sure. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
I am ing cool!:cool: |
cool only gets you so far, kid. and so far your just gay. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
This is the same attitude you Americans had before you went to Iraq.You simply underestimated the situation and 5 years later you are still there trying to win the war.
You really think Iran is gonna be a easier mission then Iraq? dont forget when the US invaded Iraq there was no Iraqi millitary fighting them back.This wont be the case with Iran believe me.It will be a full on battle with militia style warefare.with attacks towards the Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Lets even assume you are right and the US stards droping bombs inside Iran.Again your soldiers will be in harms way since there are thousands of them in Iraq and Iran has a whole lotta missiles directed at them.
Realistically it is no win situation for the Americans. |
Seriously, some people are thinking, "oh, if we bomb Iran, we won't put our soldiers in harm's way."
WRONG...They forget that we are in Iran's backyard, and they can make our blunders in the Middle East 100x more difficult. The neocons want to escalate the tensions. They want to invade Iran. Ask Q. Peaceful coexistance is the last thing on their minds. Regime change and installing puppet governments is their #1 concern. Look at Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, and our bitch Georgia. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
They want to invade Iran. Ask Q. |
we don't want to invade Iran. we want another revolution. a do-over so to speak. we're willing to do certain things to facilitate that, as do other countries in private, but not invade. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
we don't want to invade Iran. we want another revolution. a do-over so to speak. we're willing to do certain things to facilitate that, as do other countries in private, but not invade. |
Did you know the Iranian Revolution was a popular, grassroots, revolution? FFS, it was college students who took over the embassy. There is no counter-revolutionary movement to speak of, so your "facilitation of counter-revolution" is completely dubious at best. The initiation of such a policy only gives the Iranian government more incentive to be paranoid to their wits, and gives them further excuse to point at us for the troubles of Iran.
Essentially, your calling for outside regime change. Have you not learned this doesn't work? |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
cool only gets you so far, kid. and so far your just gay. |
it's you're (as in you are, not the possessive) and you're quite right, I am happy! I'm going to get ing drunk tonight and dance! You'd be happy too!
unfortunately you're a negative nancy! |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
it's you're (as in you are, not the possessive) and you're quite right, I am happy! I'm going to get ing drunk tonight and dance! You'd be happy too!
unfortunately you're a negative nancy! |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
There is a reason that Bush hasn't done much except TALK about Iran. Yes, I agree that the current Iranian regime is deserving of surveillance by outside powers and that some of their views are "radical".
However, all this talk of air strikes and a US invasion into Iran? It's complete suicide. The entire Muslim world would not tolerate it and the amount of violence it would create in the region and the terrorism is would spark in the western world...the idea is simply ludicrous. Not to mention the fact that Iran has a real military and real fighter aircraft. American planes would be taking a lot of hits and their ground forces and tanks would actually have real shells flying at them. You think 4,000 deaths in Iraq is high? The number of American casualties in an invasion would be a very scary sight. Plus all the of the "insurgent" activity that would start up almost immediately.... |
i agree there would be insurgent activity if there was an invasion. However, if the goal is to disable nuclear reactor there would be no invasion. It would be entirely unnecessary. The US military has the capability to attack a target within iran from the indian ocean. Iran has no defense against that ability. Additionally, Iraq, at one point, also had 'real military and real fighter aircrafts'. The US, however, is really good at using its satellites and recon aircraft to locate facilities that pose a thread. Those facilities are then destroyed before they can pose a thread against US aircraft.
I don't disagree with anger in the muslim world or the potential blowback from muslim terrorists. I just think we should let israel do the dirty work if we are going to continue with the same mid east policy.
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
Obama's approach seems much more sensible. Diplomacy is absolutely key right now. Just ignoring the so called "axis of evil", as McCain seems to want to do, doesn't solve anything. |
i agree. my point is that the administration's positions with respect to iran, israel, and the war on terror are not consistent. A consistent position would be to allow israel to attack (which would put major pressure on israel and only slight pressure on the US). The severe consequences would fall on israel. Perhaps there would be severe economic consequences felt around the world, but that is a little more difficult to discern because iran needs to eat also so they can't stop trading. |
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