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Obama is associated with terrorists...
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| St_Andrew |
...according to Sarah Palin. Wow. The McCain campaign is definitely growing extremely desperate.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITIC...laim/index.html
| quote: | (CNN) -- Barack Obama's campaign has quickly rejected Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's claim that he associated "with terrorists who targeted our own country."
Palin attacked Sen. Obama on Saturday for his brief political relationship with Bill Ayers, a founding member of the radical Weather Underground which was involved in several bombings in the early 1970s, including the Pentagon and the Capitol. Obama was eight years old at the time of bombings.
Obama and Ayers, now a university professor, have met several times since 1995, when both worked with a non-profit group trying to raise funds for a school improvement project and a charitable foundation. CNN's review of project records found nothing to suggest anything inappropriate in the volunteer projects in which the two men were involved.
Obama campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt said the two had not spoken by phone or exchanged e-mail messages since Obama came to the U.S. Senate in 2005 and last met more than a year ago when they encountered each other on the street in a Chicago neighborhood where both live.
Palin's attack delivered on the McCain campaign's announcement that it would step up attacks on the Democratic presidential candidate with just a month left before the November general election.
"We see America as the greatest force for good in this world," Palin said at a fund-raising event in Colorado, adding, "Our opponent though, is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect that he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country."
She cited an article in Saturday's New York Times about Obama's relationship with Ayers, now 63. But that article concluded that "the two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers, whom he has called 'somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8.' "
Several other publications, including the Washington Post, Time magazine, the Chicago Sun-Times, The New Yorker and The New Republic, have debunked the idea that Obama and Ayers had a close relationship
Riot and bomb conspiracy charges against Ayers were dropped in 1974, and he is now a professor of education at the University of Illinois in Chicago.
Obama campaign spokesman Hari Sevugan called Palin's comments "offensive" and "not surprising" given the McCain campaign's statement that "they would be launching Swift Boat-like attacks in hopes of deflecting attention from the nation's economic ills."
With Obama rising in polls while the country struggles in the grip of a financial crisis, Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign decided to shift attention away from the troubled economy and on to issues of his opponent's character, judgment and personal associations, the Washington Post reported.
"We're going to get a little tougher," a senior Republican operative said, requesting anonymity because he wasn't authorized to discuss strategy. "We've got to question this guy's associations. Very soon. There's no question that we have to change the subject here."
McCain campaign spokesman Brian Rogers told CNN, "We are coming up on 30 days until the election, and there are a lot of unanswered questions about Sen. Obama's judgment."
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The Obama camp said the tactic wouldn't work.
"What's clear is that John McCain and Sarah Palin would rather spend their time tearing down Barack Obama than laying out a plan to build up our economy," Sevugan said. |
I just don't get how this can be a major news story. The major news story should be how stupid Palin is to even bring this up. |
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| St_Andrew |
Actually, this is so increadibly stupid. Watching at CNN.com, they have a headline "Palin hits Obama for 'terrorist' connection", implying that the accusation is actually true. Meanwhile, they have a factcheck link on the very same page, stating the following:
| quote: | | Verdict: False. There is no indication that Ayers and Obama are now "palling around," or that they have had an ongoing relationship in the past three years. Also, there is nothing to suggest that Ayers is now involved in terrorist activity or that other Obama associates are. |
Obviously this is exactly the point of the McCain campaign. They know the media will go onto anything that gives nice headlines, without thinking anything about it. And they know that the majority of the people will just read the headline and think "Oh, well, that is bad. Let's not vote for Obama, since he's a terrorist."
So again, my point is, the news story should be how stupid Palin is to even bring this up. Not anything else, because that will just encourage more of this. |
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| Magnetonium |
OMG, you beat me to it. This story is getting more ridiculous by the minute ... Palin is a retard. |
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| Capitalizt |
| The Mccain campaign has been a deliberate decision to move the focus from the issues to Obama himself. Given record low approval numbers for the Iraq war and this republican economy, their only hope is to make Americans afraid of Obama on a personal level. The public mood on every major issue goes against Mccain...so his only hope is to smear his opponent as somehow too "dangerous" or unpredictable to be elected...Pathetic. |
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| noikeee |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
I just don't get how this can be a major news story. The major news story should be how stupid Palin is to even bring this up. |
By "stupid" you probably mean "clever". Sadly chances are that the people will just buy into this.
"Outrageous" and "disgusting" come to my mind as well as proper words to describe this attitude. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| I know a guy who works with the McCain campaign and I told him this would be a net win for Obama if they ran with this message. Hehe... the more people learn about this mythical Ayers connection, the fewer people will actually buy into it. Right now there are people that believe Obama knew terrorists, but when presented with the facts they'll realize it's a ridiculous claim. |
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| Zild |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
I know a guy who works with the McCain campaign and I told him this would be a net win for Obama if they ran with this message. Hehe... the more people learn about this mythical Ayers connection, the fewer people will actually buy into it. Right now there are people that believe Obama knew terrorists, but when presented with the facts they'll realize it's a ridiculous claim. |
Yep just like I could never convince my cousin that Saddam wasn't the one behind the 9/11 attacks no matter how many facts I presented to him he just said 'No I saw it on the news'
I don't share your faith in humanity. |
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| Shakka |
It's still shady if you ask me, and it's been brought up in other threads before. I find it curious that Hillary Clinton of all people was one of the first to bring the issue up in the first place. Furthermore, exactly what kind of "school reform" were they pushing for?? If he's a changed man, why has Ayers never apologized for what he did? I trust nobody at face value. Josh4 claims that Kurtz is a smear merchant hellbent on character assassination (because that is what Obama's campaign says), though he has not provided any specific evidence to support that notion as far as I can tell.
| quote: | August 21, 2008, 11:49 am
Obama’s Ties to Ayers Come Up Again
Susan Davis reports on the presidential race.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/...-come-up-again/
William Ayers—and his ties to Barack Obama—have re-emerged as an issue this week after Stanley Kurtz recounted Aug. 18 in the conservative National Review how he was unable to access 132 boxes of records of internal files for the Chicago Annenberg Challenge stored at the Richard J. Daley Library at the University of Illinois at Chicago, where Ayers is a professor.
Ayers was a founder of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which focuses on school reform, and Obama was chairman of the board at the time he was getting his start in Chicago politics.
A 1960s radical in the Weather Underground, Ayers spent several years as a fugitive. Today, he’s a college professor and prominent political activist in Chicago.
Obama has described Ayers as “a guy who lives in my neighborhood,” and has said it’s absurd to link him to the terrorist acts Ayers participated in during the 1960s, including planting bombs in the Pentagon. “And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago when I was eight years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn’t make much sense,” Obama has said.
Kurtz, seeking to “flesh out the story” between Obama and Ayers, was told by library officials he could view the documents, but before he left for Chicago he says “top library officials” intervened to bar any access to the records.
Chicago Tribune columnist John Kass today picked up on Kurtz’s lengthy account about his inability to access the records. “The relationship between the ambitious Obama and the unrepentant Ayers is a subject that excites Republicans, who haven’t really thwacked that pinata as hard as they might,” Kass wrote. “It really irritates Obama and his political champion, Chicago’s sovereign lord, Mayor Richard M. Daley.”
The Chicago Tribune pressed Daley Wednesday on whether the documents should be released. “People keep trying to align himself with Barack Obama,” Daley said of Ayers. “It’s really unfortunate. They’re friends. So what? People do make mistakes in the past. You move on. This is a new century, a new time. He reflects back and he’s been making a strong contribution to our community.”
Obama’s relationship with Ayers first emerged in the primary fight against Hillary Clinton, whose campaign actively sought to make it an issue.
Howard Wolfson, Clinton’s communications director, argued in April that if Obama can’t answer questions on topics like the Ayers connection “appropriately and effectively and candidly” then “it does not speak well of the kind of candidate he would be in the fall against Sen. John McCain.”
Newsday reported that the library does not have ownership rights to the documents and is “aggressively pursuing” an agreement with the undisclosed donor of the documents to release them publicly.
If there is nothing controversial about Obama’s relationship with Ayers—and he says there’s not—withholding the documents could become an issue for a candidate who has campaigned on the importance of transparency. However, neither Obama nor his campaign have any direct ability to release the documents.
“Completely unmentioned is whether documents held at a state-run university’s library, about a project to reform and improve public school systems, relating to a public figure who wants to be the next president, can be withheld from the public’s eyes,” the National Review opined today.
The post, circulated by the Republican National Committee, suggests Republicans see a door opening to attack Obama on the Ayers relationship. A spokesman for John McCain also included a story on the document dispute in their morning round-up to reporters.
For Obama, there’s also a whiff of hypocrisy Republicans may use as their line of attack. Obama criticized Clinton in the primary fight for stalling on the release of her White House schedules. She ultimately released them in March.
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Here was the original Kurtz piece that ran a few weeks ago where he recounts what he read in the library files.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html
| quote: | Obama and Ayers Pushed Radicalism On Schools
By STANLEY KURTZ
Despite having authored two autobiographies, Barack Obama has never written about his most important executive experience. From 1995 to 1999, he led an education foundation called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), and remained on the board until 2001. The group poured more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers and radical education activists.
The CAC was the brainchild of Bill Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground in the 1960s. Among other feats, Mr. Ayers and his cohorts bombed the Pentagon, and he has never expressed regret for his actions. Barack Obama's first run for the Illinois State Senate was launched at a 1995 gathering at Mr. Ayers's home.
The Obama campaign has struggled to downplay that association. Last April, Sen. Obama dismissed Mr. Ayers as just "a guy who lives in my neighborhood," and "not somebody who I exchange ideas with on a regular basis." Yet documents in the CAC archives make clear that Mr. Ayers and Mr. Obama were partners in the CAC. Those archives are housed in the Richard J. Daley Library at the University of Illinois at Chicago and I've recently spent days looking through them.
The Chicago Annenberg Challenge was created ostensibly to improve Chicago's public schools. The funding came from a national education initiative by Ambassador Walter Annenberg. In early 1995, Mr. Obama was appointed the first chairman of the board, which handled fiscal matters. Mr. Ayers co-chaired the foundation's other key body, the "Collaborative," which shaped education policy.
The CAC's basic functioning has long been known, because its annual reports, evaluations and some board minutes were public. But the Daley archive contains additional board minutes, the Collaborative minutes, and documentation on the groups that CAC funded and rejected. The Daley archives show that Mr. Obama and Mr. Ayers worked as a team to advance the CAC agenda.
One unsettled question is how Mr. Obama, a former community organizer fresh out of law school, could vault to the top of a new foundation? In response to my questions, the Obama campaign issued a statement saying that Mr. Ayers had nothing to do with Obama's "recruitment" to the board. The statement says Deborah Leff and Patricia Albjerg Graham (presidents of other foundations) recruited him. Yet the archives show that, along with Ms. Leff and Ms. Graham, Mr. Ayers was one of a working group of five who assembled the initial board in 1994. Mr. Ayers founded CAC and was its guiding spirit. No one would have been appointed the CAC chairman without his approval.
The CAC's agenda flowed from Mr. Ayers's educational philosophy, which called for infusing students and their parents with a radical political commitment, and which downplayed achievement tests in favor of activism. In the mid-1960s, Mr. Ayers taught at a radical alternative school, and served as a community organizer in Cleveland's ghetto.
In works like "City Kids, City Teachers" and "Teaching the Personal and the Political," Mr. Ayers wrote that teachers should be community organizers dedicated to provoking resistance to American racism and oppression. His preferred alternative? "I'm a radical, Leftist, small 'c' communist," Mr. Ayers said in an interview in Ron Chepesiuk's, "Sixties Radicals," at about the same time Mr. Ayers was forming CAC.
CAC translated Mr. Ayers's radicalism into practice. Instead of funding schools directly, it required schools to affiliate with "external partners," which actually got the money. Proposals from groups focused on math/science achievement were turned down. Instead CAC disbursed money through various far-left community organizers, such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (or Acorn).
Mr. Obama once conducted "leadership training" seminars with Acorn, and Acorn members also served as volunteers in Mr. Obama's early campaigns. External partners like the South Shore African Village Collaborative and the Dual Language Exchange focused more on political consciousness, Afrocentricity and bilingualism than traditional education. CAC's in-house evaluators comprehensively studied the effects of its grants on the test scores of Chicago public-school students. They found no evidence of educational improvement.
CAC also funded programs designed to promote "leadership" among parents. Ostensibly this was to enable parents to advocate on behalf of their children's education. In practice, it meant funding Mr. Obama's alma mater, the Developing Communities Project, to recruit parents to its overall political agenda. CAC records show that board member Arnold Weber was concerned that parents "organized" by community groups might be viewed by school principals "as a political threat." Mr. Obama arranged meetings with the Collaborative to smooth out Mr. Weber's objections.
The Daley documents show that Mr. Ayers sat as an ex-officio member of the board Mr. Obama chaired through CAC's first year. He also served on the board's governance committee with Mr. Obama, and worked with him to craft CAC bylaws. Mr. Ayers made presentations to board meetings chaired by Mr. Obama. Mr. Ayers spoke for the Collaborative before the board. Likewise, Mr. Obama periodically spoke for the board at meetings of the Collaborative.
The Obama campaign notes that Mr. Ayers attended only six board meetings, and stresses that the Collaborative lost its "operational role" at CAC after the first year. Yet the Collaborative was demoted to a strictly advisory role largely because of ethical concerns, since the projects of Collaborative members were receiving grants. CAC's own evaluators noted that project accountability was hampered by the board's reluctance to break away from grant decisions made in 1995. So even after Mr. Ayers's formal sway declined, the board largely adhered to the grant program he had put in place.
Mr. Ayers's defenders claim that he has redeemed himself with public-spirited education work. That claim is hard to swallow if you understand that he views his education work as an effort to stoke resistance to an oppressive American system. He likes to stress that he learned of his first teaching job while in jail for a draft-board sit-in. For Mr. Ayers, teaching and his 1960s radicalism are two sides of the same coin.
Mr. Ayers is the founder of the "small schools" movement (heavily funded by CAC), in which individual schools built around specific political themes push students to "confront issues of inequity, war, and violence." He believes teacher education programs should serve as "sites of resistance" to an oppressive system. (His teacher-training programs were also CAC funded.) The point, says Mr. Ayers in his "Teaching Toward Freedom," is to "teach against oppression," against America's history of evil and racism, thereby forcing social transformation.
The Obama campaign has cried foul when Bill Ayers comes up, claiming "guilt by association." Yet the issue here isn't guilt by association; it's guilt by participation. As CAC chairman, Mr. Obama was lending moral and financial support to Mr. Ayers and his radical circle. That is a story even if Mr. Ayers had never planted a single bomb 40 years ago.
Mr. Kurtz is a senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center. |
The mere passage of time does not undo the events of the past. One of my favorite quotes is, "We may be through with the past, but the past ain't through with us." Obama seems to have a very much unknown past and as the campaign has gone on we have learned a few things that are less than flattering beyond just Bill Ayers. I personally have major trust issues with Obama and brushing this criticism aside doesn't set well enough with me. I'd like to see better ownership of his past in order to get more comfortable with the idea of him as the leader of the free world.
Furthermore, if Ayers really isn't such a bad guy, why doesn't Obama embrace him and his associations with him?
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| If Ayers is such a bad guy then why is he a professor instead of an inmate? Seems like a non point to me. |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Furthermore, exactly what kind of "school reform" were they pushing for?? |
"Beginning in 1995, Ayers and Obama worked with the non-profit Chicago Annenberg Challenge on a huge school improvement project. The Annenberg Challenge was for cities to compete for $50 million grants to improve public education. Ayers fought to bring the grant to Chicago, and Obama was recruited onto the board." |
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| Capitalizt |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
"Beginning in 1995, Ayers and Obama worked with the non-profit Chicago Annenberg Challenge on a huge school improvement project. The Annenberg Challenge was for cities to compete for $50 million grants to improve public education. Ayers fought to bring the grant to Chicago, and Obama was recruited onto the board." |
Improving public education?
Obama is a F*CKING COMMIE TERRORIST!!!!!111eleven!! |
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| Q5echo |
ayers and dorne when with the weather underground killed cops, bombed the Capitol building and the pentagon. They he'd as recently as a few years ago they wish they had done more.
They are as radical far leftists as abortion clinic bombers are radical right.
Obama, just like he's dismissed his 20+ year relationship with his black separatist mentor, is relying on his follower's proclivity for double standards to dismiss this relationship as well. Despite the fact that Obama kicked off his presidential campaign at Ayers and Dorne's house in 2007. That is a fact.
Obama while working for Ayers doled out millions in private money to leftist causes and programs for Chicago inner city schools for several years with zero improvement in overall
Performance of those schools. It was a leftist boonedoggle.
There is no reason why the amercan people should not be able to decide for themselves whether this relationship is relevant or not. |
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