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| exstasie |
| quote: | Originally posted by El K Dee
1)when u buy an unknown pill u always buy it from either someone u know or someone who everyone seems to know and trust...if u buy from a complete stranger, ur a dumbass
2)its never stated anywhere that pills are sold as "safe" drugs even by the people selling them |
1) obviously, but we're talking about the 'joe 6-pack' here now and they aren't too bright lol
There are too many people out there who are too trusting and will buy from anyone which includes complete strangers.
I usually get 3-4 random people asking me if I have any drugs to sell. Now, that maybe cause i'm half asian so its normal...but still haha
2)True, but what i'm saying is that a pill where all of the ingredients are know is safer than a pill where the ingredients are unknown.
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| Nick Cenik |
| quote: | Originally posted by way2hi
i would argue that legality and safety are 2 different things. |
As would I.
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
What's this about university students being bright? News to me... |
Any chance you get, eh?
According to this website BZP was criminalized in New Zealand in the spring of 2008. |
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| jchung52 |
| quote: | Originally posted by lopi
<3 Wifey.
She really needs to join TA. I've been pressuring her for ages, but someone[I'm loking at you justin] told her it's too late to join. |
lol.... apparently everyone misunderstands me.
| quote: | Originally posted by exstasie
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thank you... at least someone understands me.. everyone is thinking too deep into this |
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| Owen M |
| Justin was paid to start this thread.....pass it on. |
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| Dj Gracjan |
| as if u made a thread about this Justin...LOL!!!!!! |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by exstasie
Just take this as an example.
Which is the safest?
- A pill that is pure arsenic, and you know exactly what's in it and how much is in it.
- An unknown pill that is not 'sold' as arsenic, but as a non-harmful drug.
I'm going to have to say the first one is the safest. Just because you know exactly what is in it and can use your own intelligence and research to determine whether or not the ingredients and compounds are a hazard to your health.
That is all Justin is trying to say.
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So you consider it safer to ingest a lethal amount of a known poison rather than something which might not be exactly what you expected, but is extremely unlikely to be toxic. Okay.
There's another point you're both missing here, which is that there's no implication anywhere of actual knowledge or research when it comes what's in these "legal" pills. Great, it's got a few piperazine compounds in it. Does anybody who takes them know what those are? Do they know what they do, and the mechanism of action? Do they know about any potential side effects? What about interactions with each other or with other drugs or medications? Are there controls at the plant where it's made, or could there be impurities or adulterants?
There's no intelligence here, no research here. None. There's probably a lot more information available about MDMA/MDA/MDE, amphetamines, caffeine, ephedrine, and any of the other common chemicals you might find in a street pill. You might not know the exact proportions, but you don't know the exact proportions of the "pure pillz" ingredients either.
Let's not forget that MDMA started out as being legal. It's no less safe now than it was before it was criminalized. Most of these so-called legal drugs are only legal because the law hasn't caught up yet. |
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| musicsnob_NOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
So you consider it safer to ingest a lethal amount of a known poison rather than something which might not be exactly what you expected, but is extremely unlikely to be toxic. Okay.
There's another point you're both missing here, which is that there's no implication anywhere of actual knowledge or research when it comes what's in these "legal" pills. Great, it's got a few piperazine compounds in it. Does anybody who takes them know what those are? Do they know what they do, and the mechanism of action? Do they know about any potential side effects? What about interactions with each other or with other drugs or medications? Are there controls at the plant where it's made, or could there be impurities or adulterants?
There's no intelligence here, no research here. None. There's probably a lot more information available about MDMA/MDA/MDE, amphetamines, caffeine, ephedrine, and any of the other common chemicals you might find in a street pill. You might not know the exact proportions, but you don't know the exact proportions of the "pure pillz" ingredients either.
Let's not forget that MDMA started out as being legal. It's no less safe now than it was before it was criminalized. Most of these so-called legal drugs are only legal because the law hasn't caught up yet. |
Perfect way to say it.
jchung52 Before you started this thread did you do any reading on these things? Did you even read the website you posted? Seriously, you really say some of the dumbest things I read on this site. Most of the time its just to try and get attention (compensating perhaps?) but you really are not the brightest to first try and claim they are safe and then try to justify it as saying they say its safe.
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Products like this are more dangerous in many ways than many illegal drugs because it gives people a false sense of security. Its being sold so it must be ok to take. They don't read the warnings (how many people read the warnings when they get a prescription), they don't do research on how it might interact with other things they are taking.
Before you pop any kind of pill - illegal, supplements, prescription do your research and make an informed decision. |
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| Nick Cenik |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Let's not forget that MDMA started out as being legal. It's no less safe now than it was before it was criminalized. |
If you believe that the criminalization of a drug does not increase the dangers associated with the use of the substance then you certainly are mistaken. In terms of the risks correlated with the pharmacological actions of MDMA, the drug was originally relatively safe since it was i) prescribed (and, thus, controlled) by doctors for medicinal purposes and ii) distributed in its pure, unadulterated form for recreational use by private distributors. To clarify the second point, I am not suggesting that when MDMA first made its appearance in nightclubs in the 1980s that it was sold always in its pure form--but there is no doubt that as 'ecstasy' gained popularity throughout the 1990s and 2000s and the number of producers and dealers expanded greatly there was a corresponding increase in the tendency for 'ecstasy' pills to contain less and less MDMA and more and more potentially dangerous filler ingredients (e.g. caffeine). As others have suggested in this thread, then, to the extent that the dangers associated with illicit substance use are a function of the inability to determine whether a drug has been adulterated, it is indeed the case that 'ecstasy' is less safe than it was before it was criminalized. Furthermore, because the criminalization of MDMA often meant the practical (if not actual) criminalization of raves, rave attendees were forced to use the drug in unsafe spaces. That is, the inability for party-throwers to legally host raves facilitated the common use of locations (e.g. abandoned warehouses, empty parking lots) which were unfit for ensuring the safe consumption of a drug like 'ecstasy' (absence of running water, medical staff, and so on).
Of course, the chemical nature of 3-4 Methylenedioxymethamphetamine has not changed since it became a prohibited substance and, so, today's users face the same health risks as those who first used the drug decades ago. However, aside from the risks associated directly with simply using the drug, other risks (health, legal, etc) have been intensified by prohibition. Because the dangers to health related to illicit drug use are a function of both the pharmacological properties of a drug and the social/political/legal settings in which administration takes place, it is crucial to speak of both factors (as many have done in this thread so far).
It's late; I'm off to bed. |
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| El K Dee |
| if u want to talk safe, lets put it this way...those guys that sit in those e-labs dont up intentionally cos a dead customer is useless to them as compared to a repeat customer...i would assume that most "manufacturers" use a similar formula as well.. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nick Cenik
If you believe that the criminalization of a drug does not increase the dangers associated with the use of the substance then you certainly are mistaken. |
You could not have done a better job of taking a quote completely out of context and responding to a totally unrelated argument that was never written nor implied.
The discussion was about the relative safety of these party pills vs. the street drugs people take at clubs, not about the safety of the same drug before and after criminalization. That's a non-issue here.
The single most important problem with so-called prohibition, in my opinion, is the subsequent widespread perception that any "legal" substance is actually safe, or at least safer than what's illegal. This is very easily observed with alcohol, which takes and ruins more lives than all of the other "hard" drugs combined. But we are also seeing it here, with these experimental new drugs that are only legal because our government hasn't had time to properly research, classify, and write them into the legislation. They're not legal because they're safe, and they're certainly not safe because they're legal.
I maintain that ecstasy, including street ecstasy, is probably safer than BZP, regardless of what it's been cut with. The fact that illegal street ecstasy is less safe than pure MDMA was when it was legal is fairly self-evident, and completely irrelevant. |
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| chinamon |
| quote: | Originally posted by musicsnob_NOT
Seriously, you really say some of the dumbest things I read on this site. |
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| way2hi |
| Chinamon is acomplete in tool(although he'll ever know it) |
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