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| DiscoStew |
| quote: | Originally posted by PVDfan07
I've seen so many people supporting Obama not because he has these great ideas, but because they believe he's offering some kind of change.... I just have seen a lot of ignorance and selfishness as of late and I am tired of it. |
I will concede that point to you. There is a plethora of ignorance and naivete amongst supporters on both sides of the ticket. Even worse, many people are voting for a candidate for the wrong reasons, many of which are superficial and counterproductive; again, that goes for both parties. |
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| Scottaculous |
| quote: | Originally posted by PVDfan07
People just seem to be blinded to the fact that Obama is possibly the worst candidate to ever run for President. He is the most liberal member of congress, his experience is minimal at best, he has some very shady friends, and the list goes on. |
Your gross exaggeration is not appreciated. I think Kerry was much worse. Bush 2 had more experience and now he's a strong candidate for the worst president ever. The point is experience isn't the end all be all. It's about judgement.
In terms of judgement, McCain 2008 is a shadow of his former 2000 self. Like Bush, he is surrounding himself with self-interested cronies who are ruining the country. His campaign mangers are lobbiests. One of them, until the better part of this year, was still receiving money from Fannie Mae. I think McCain is too brash and reactionary (think mortgage crisis and "suspending" his campaign" and "being close to Russia gives me foreign policy experience" Palin) for the office.
In the end, I feel sorry for whoever gets elected because there are some high expectations waiting for him at the oval office. |
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| PVDfan07 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Scottaculous
Your gross exaggeration is not appreciated. I think Kerry was much worse. Bush 2 had more experience and now he's a strong candidate for the worst president ever. The point is experience isn't the end all be all. It's about judgement. |
I stand by my statement. Kerry was just a dope. Obama is even more liberal than Kerry and to me that is scary. Yeah, he was bad, but Obama is much worse. Although I do admit part of what makes me angry is that people worship him and that really isn't all his fault. The sad thing is, during the primaries I was cheering for Clinton and believe me I do not like the Clintons. When a Clinton looks better than someone, you know they are bad. I like how you pull out the whole "Bush had experience, but look at how bad he was." I haven't heard that one before. ;)
I'm not fond of one issue voters either. I do have a strong pro-life position, but that doesn't mean that's the only thing that is important to me. |
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| AlokGT |
We need people like Larry Lessig in office. He is one of the reasons I took the LSAT and am considering law school.
http://change-congress.org/ |
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| iammesol |
| quote: | Originally posted by PVDfan07
He is the most liberal member of congress, his experience is minimal at best, he has some very shady friends, and the list goes on. |
That's a short list. The rest of your post was a rant which you cleared up below.
| quote: | Originally posted by PVDfan07
Although I do admit part of what makes me angry is that people worship him and that really isn't all his fault. |
I can see why his experience scares you. If he didn't have such a fantastic education at Harvard Law and the years of being a constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago under his belt, I'd be scared too.
The shady friends thing still makes me laugh. He's publicly denounced Reverend Wright since I can remember, and even the lead federal prosecutor of the weathermen in the 70s said and I quote:
I'm confused by this statement:
| quote: | Originally posted by PVDfan07
Of course everyone in the Middle class would love to not have to pay taxes. Heck, maybe even throw them some money you've taken from the rich folks. |
Both candidates are severely cutting taxes for everyone, sans Obama's $600 grand and above increase. Why are you linking this to Barack?
Besides the absence of anti-abortion from his campaign platform, what else bothers you? |
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| Caution_BiPolar |
As far as morals, I really have no interest in going into detail there, as most of it has to do with personal beliefs that I'd rather not divulge, especially with how maturely some of you are handling this now. Just leave it as I, personally, don't want the country to be headed by the guy for some of these reasons.
As far as Scott and whoever else challenging the bit I wrote about how businesses will be effected, welcome to the age old difference in point of view between people who support Republican and people who support Democrat. If you were going to understand and appreciate what I had to say on the matter, you likely wouldn't be supporting Obama. And vice versa. So be it.
And you've almost provoked another rant from me, although the thin-skinned folks with weak egos might call this selfish or racist... I want a candidate that will stand up for what America is SUPPOSED to be. Meaning, I don't want to have a house full of liberal-minded democrats that'll let anything this country stands for go down the garbage. Yeah, Republicans may have a history of being crazy on the Bible issues, but the US of A was founded as ONE NATION UNDER GOD.
HOWEVER, we are lucky enough to have a country where we are free to believe in what we want, when we want to believe it. Or, do we? Who is more likely to be approached and reprimanded in public these days, a Hindu girl participating in a religious act in public, or a Christian person saying "Praise Jesus"? People are going to fight harder to remove the Christian.
Now, what is America then? If we can't have the people born and bred here believe and participate in a religion that this nation was founded on, then what is the point of even having this nation to be proud of? We can't have our own religion without offending others, and we can't have our own customs without offending others.
Anyone else worked for a company that requested "Happy Holidays" be used instead of "Merry Christmas" as not to offend people? I'm sorry, but here in America Christmas is a traditional holiday and I'm tired of people telling me I can't be AMERICAN without offending people.
Therefore it is my personal opinion that McCain will do a better job at preserving the little bit of AMERICA we might have left, before it is offensive for a typical Caucasian person to just walk down the street!
.. so come on, tell me I haven't put any thought or have no real emotion of feeling to back my choice. |
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| keithos27 |
| when was the last time you saw a native american celebrate christmas? |
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| iammesol |
Your businesses point is true. Everyone has a different view of it.
The rest seems to me like a need to change society, not politics. The only way that is going to change is through parents passing down values generation through generation, until people are no longer offended by the practice of other religions around them.
Another thing I'd like to point out is that this nation was formed by Puritans that practiced the typical "fire and brimstone" stuff that most people would consider crazy today. It was formed because of the condemnation of those puritans by the royalty of England. The founding fathers later drafted the constitution to include the first amendment, which harbors the freedom from persecution while you practice any religion you please. To say that the US was founded as "one nation under" the Christian "God" seems a bit negating to the original point, especially since that phrase wasn't around when the country was formed. "Under God" was added in 1954. |
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| nchs09 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Caution_BiPolar
And you've almost provoked another rant from me, although the thin-skinned folks with weak egos might call this selfish or racist... I want a candidate that will stand up for what America is SUPPOSED to be. Meaning, I don't want to have a house full of liberal-minded democrats that'll let anything this country stands for go down the garbage. Yeah, Republicans may have a history of being crazy on the Bible issues, but the US of A was founded as ONE NATION UNDER GOD.
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| PVDfan07 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Caution_BiPolar
As far as morals, I really have no interest in going into detail there, as most of it has to do with personal beliefs that I'd rather not divulge, especially with how maturely some of you are handling this now. Just leave it as I, personally, don't want the country to be headed by the guy for some of these reasons.
As far as Scott and whoever else challenging the bit I wrote about how businesses will be effected, welcome to the age old difference in point of view between people who support Republican and people who support Democrat. If you were going to understand and appreciate what I had to say on the matter, you likely wouldn't be supporting Obama. And vice versa. So be it.
And you've almost provoked another rant from me, although the thin-skinned folks with weak egos might call this selfish or racist... I want a candidate that will stand up for what America is SUPPOSED to be. Meaning, I don't want to have a house full of liberal-minded democrats that'll let anything this country stands for go down the garbage. Yeah, Republicans may have a history of being crazy on the Bible issues, but the US of A was founded as ONE NATION UNDER GOD.
HOWEVER, we are lucky enough to have a country where we are free to believe in what we want, when we want to believe it. Or, do we? Who is more likely to be approached and reprimanded in public these days, a Hindu girl participating in a religious act in public, or a Christian person saying "Praise Jesus"? People are going to fight harder to remove the Christian.
Now, what is America then? If we can't have the people born and bred here believe and participate in a religion that this nation was founded on, then what is the point of even having this nation to be proud of? We can't have our own religion without offending others, and we can't have our own customs without offending others.
Anyone else worked for a company that requested "Happy Holidays" be used instead of "Merry Christmas" as not to offend people? I'm sorry, but here in America Christmas is a traditional holiday and I'm tired of people telling me I can't be AMERICAN without offending people.
Therefore it is my personal opinion that McCain will do a better job at preserving the little bit of AMERICA we might have left, before it is offensive for a typical Caucasian person to just walk down the street!
.. so come on, tell me I haven't put any thought or have no real emotion of feeling to back my choice. |
Once again spot on. Sorry guys, but this is a Christian nation that was founded on those values. Not that every other religion shouldn't be respected equally, but it's sad that Christians have kind of become the outcasts. I've worked for companies who want us to say Happy Holidays. I won't do it. I'm not trying to be offensive, I'm just not going to be bullied out of my beliefs. What is this country coming to that we can't even celebrate traditional holidays or follow the religion we believe in without offending someone. I believe John McCain will preserve the values this country was founded on and honestly, the values that I stand for. |
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| iammesol |
| quote: | Originally posted by PVDfan07
Once again spot on. Sorry guys, but this is a Christian nation that was founded on those values. |
| quote: | Originally posted by PVDfan07
it's sad that Christians have kind of become the outcasts. |
Which one is it? |
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