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A&H vs. Pioneer. What do you recommend? (pg. 4)
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| Zild |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lucas-K
Ya how is the TTM 56? is it mainly a scratch mixer? or also great for mixing? |
It IS a scratch mixer, so I would get something else unless you are a scratch DJ or that is your preference. |
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| Zild |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pointy
I own a Xone 62, and have played on a few Pioneers. But at my residency we have a Rane MP 44 is a smooth as silk. EQ knobs a lil small but the sound quality, faders n EQs are bliss. Crossfader allows for a sharp curve as well which is what I wish the Xones did but I dunno if that'll ever happen. |
I wish that too, but I've seen some great replacement faders if that is an issue. Personally the filter buttons and knobs are way too close to the crossfader for me to want to use it as a scratch mixer in the first place. |
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| Chris Allen |
Another vote for a Pioneer mixer here.
In regards to Pioneer specifically, I have personally played on DJM 500, 600, 700, 800, 909, and 1000 all in a club environment. I would say the 800 is my favorite Pioneer mixer of all mixers as it just does everything I want it to, feels great, and is just the most comfortable for me to mix on.
In regards to Allen & Heath, I have played on Xone 32, 62, 92, 3D, and the S2. I quite enjoy the 92 as my favorite Xone mixer as the faders and layout really work for the style in which I play. I've used both linear and rotary with the 92, and it's a really solid mixer.
That said, I prefer Pioneer due to it's ease of use, layout and it works more with the style that I like to mix. I find the 4 band EQ and tiny knobs with my apparent fat fingers cause a problem and I just don't feel as comfortable with a Xone as I do with a Pioneer. A Xone mixer does have much better sound, but at the same respect if you aren't mixing as comfortably as you could with a Pioneer, it's not going to be as clean anyway.
If you're just going to use the mixer at home, test out both and find out which you prefer. If you're looking for a club setting it really comes down to what you yourself feel the most comfortable with.
Just my opinion though. |
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| Existo22 |
Well another mixer thread.
I have seen many consoles that were praised as the next thing to reinvent djing and were discontinued a few years down.
The rane 56 mixer is not like those mixers.
It is THE industry standard battle mixer & I was surprised to hear that this 2 channel $700 mixer has the same components phono cards, transistors boards like the now discontinued $5000 allen & heath xone V6 that was supposed to be a urei clone (and the urei(1972) was a clone of the old bozak rotary (1956) the best sounding mixer ever made) but didn't quite make the bar in the quality department as the vintage urei rotary and was $5000 so there was a lack of demand for it. I have heard mixed reviews about the rane rotary (a cheaper urei clone) and have heard soundtechs complain that they are having trouble getting bass from it. Still it is found in many clubs here in the state and it feels great! It is either that or the Old Djm Series. I have heard that the xones were good back when they were making them in England but since the Outsourcing in china they are not the mixers to RAVE about. Much like the old Vestax that were completely different beasts compared to what you are using.
Some things to consider:
DJM 500/600
Price: expensive for what you get
Sound: Ok
Feel: ok
Layout: excellent
desirability & resale value: Very high.
Industry standard seen in any club pic from a few years ago.
Allen & heath 62/92
Price Very expensive for what you get
Sound: Good
Feel: Good
Layout: Good
desirability & resale value: High. Not as popular as the djm series though.
Djm:800
Price: Very expensive for what you Get.
Sound: Good
Feel: Ok
Layout: excellent
Desirability & resale value: Very High! & Harmonic correction!
Djm:400
Price: Excellent
Sound: Good
Feel: Ok
Layout: excellent
Desirability and resale value: Very High. Most popular Starter Mixer.
Rane 56
Price : Good
Feel: Excellent
Sound: Excellent
Layout: Excellent
Desirability and resale value: Very High. Industry standard battle mixer.
If you need only 2 channels get this mixer now!
If you are on a budget get the djm 400 you will get all the bells nd whistles of its bigger brother minus the extra channels.
Also has the effects you seem to like a built in sampler and it is very dj friendly.
What I would personally Suggest is getting the rane empath preferably the rotary. Ask to get it at $800 New! It sounds very good it will be a significant improvement over what you are using now, it feels great adding effects is easy and the layout is very dj friendly. The resale value is high. In my personal opinion you won't want to spend any more money on a dj mixer for your bedroom. And this is your best all around choice. |
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| Zild |
The Xone 62s are pretty damn cheap for what they offer. $800 for a six channel A&H is an excellent value. The 92 on the other hand is very pricey.
It seemed like the best deal to me when I was shopping for mixers earlier this year. My second choice was the Empath, but I'm glad I got the 62 instead as it suits my style much better, and the filters have become a huge part of my mixing style and sound. Using a mixer without filters is almost like using a mixer without EQs for me now. Actually I'd rather have filters and no EQs than the other way around. Another reason I didn't get the Empath is because I already have a dedicated 2 channel scratch mixer. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Existo22
Well another mixer thread.
I have seen many consoles that were praised as the next thing to reinvent djing and were discontinued a few years down.
The rane 56 mixer is not like those mixers.
It is THE industry standard battle mixer & I was surprised to hear that this 2 channel $700 mixer has the same components phono cards, transistors boards like the now discontinued $5000 allen & heath xone V6 that was supposed to be a urei clone (and the urei(1972) was a clone of the old bozak rotary (1956) the best sounding mixer ever made) but didn't quite make the bar in the quality department as the vintage urei rotary and was $5000 so there was a lack of demand for it. I have heard mixed reviews about the rane rotary (a cheaper urei clone) and have heard soundtechs complain that they are having trouble getting bass from it. Still it is found in many clubs here in the state and it feels great! It is either that or the Old Djm Series. I have heard that the xones were good back when they were making them in England but since the Outsourcing in china they are not the mixers to RAVE about. Much like the old Vestax that were completely different beasts compared to what you are using.
Some things to consider:
DJM 500/600
Price: expensive for what you get
Sound: Ok
Feel: ok
Layout: excellent
desirability & resale value: Very high.
Industry standard seen in any club pic from a few years ago.
Allen & heath 62/92
Price Very expensive for what you get
Sound: Good
Feel: Good
Layout: Good
desirability & resale value: High. Not as popular as the djm series though.
Djm:800
Price: Very expensive for what you Get.
Sound: Good
Feel: Ok
Layout: excellent
Desirability & resale value: Very High! & Harmonic correction!
Djm:400
Price: Excellent
Sound: Good
Feel: Ok
Layout: excellent
Desirability and resale value: Very High. Most popular Starter Mixer.
Rane 56
Price : Good
Feel: Excellent
Sound: Excellent
Layout: Excellent
Desirability and resale value: Very High. Industry standard battle mixer.
If you need only 2 channels get this mixer now!
If you are on a budget get the djm 400 you will get all the bells nd whistles of its bigger brother minus the extra channels.
Also has the effects you seem to like a built in sampler and it is very dj friendly.
What I would personally Suggest is getting the rane empath preferably the rotary. Ask to get it at $800 New! It sounds very good it will be a significant improvement over what you are using now, it feels great adding effects is easy and the layout is very dj friendly. The resale value is high. In my personal opinion you won't want to spend any more money on a dj mixer for your bedroom. And this is your best all around choice. |
While you're right about the historic influence of predecessors on the V6's design, the main problem/difference with it was that the Urie and the Bozak were based on tubes and even though there was a tube option for the V6, they were simply not the same tubes or overall beast.
The DJM 400 does not sound "Good" - it's passable but becomes noticeably bad on a large, decent PA. I don't know a single live sound tech that wouldn't wince if they saw that mixer as the primary feed source. I also think that it is in terms of sound quality vs cost, one of the single most overpriced mixers ever released. yes, you get the pioneer fx and as with nearly all the DJM range is very logically and nicely laid out, but other than that it's an entry level sound quality, 2 CHANNEL mixer FOR $500 plus tax!!!
The Vestax PMC280 has effects too and will piss all over that mixer in terms of sound quality, gives you 4 channels and is only $350!!! Why because with pioneer, you're paying for all that marketing.
I personally always felt the DJM 500 and 600, while groundbreaking in terms of making an expensive mixer with FX available to the masses and becoming a real club standard, had very poor S/N ratio and a fair amount of coloration.
The DJM800 (or any DJM) isn't even in the same league as A&H in terms of both sound and build quality. If you really have to have those FX, then buy an EFX to go with your A&H.
Don't get me wrong, the 800 is nicely laid out and really fun to actually use, which is probably the topmost consideration when I'm buying a mixer, but sound quality is not it's strongest suit at all. At $1700, it should really sound incredible and it doesn't.
For that money buy a xone, an efx, some nice cables and then spend the rest you still have left over, on tracks. Much better value and quality all round. |
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| i got big pants |
i got a new djm700 for the price of a brand new xone62
for what it is and how much i spent...i cant be happier. |
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| Zild |
| quote: | Originally posted by i got big pants
i got a new djm700 for the price of a brand new xone62
for what it is and how much i spent...i cant be happier. |
$760? Where? |
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| i got big pants |
guitar center...got it at cost
they give their employees equipment at cost, and when i stopped working there, i kept in contact with my co-workers just to squeeze that discount even further. heh heh. i just recently got some m-audio bx8a deluxes for about $250. |
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| Zild |
| quote: | Originally posted by i got big pants
guitar center...got it at cost
they give their employees equipment at cost, and when i stopped working there, i kept in contact with my co-workers just to squeeze that discount even further. heh heh. i just recently got some m-audio bx8a deluxes for about $250. |
Ahh I was wondering how you got a 700 that cheap. The lowest I could find one was at least $250 more than my 62. I was looking at the 700 as I really don't have much use for the built in FX on the 800. Good piece of kit, but too pricey for me without an employee discount. |
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| i got big pants |
definately. i really think the full cost of the 700 is a bit wack...pioneer saying the 700 is the "the older brother of the 600" bull if you ask me.
if i didnt get the 700 at that price...i wouldve looked into something else. rane empath, ecler nuo series, etc.
there is so much more better options for that price range pioneer asks |
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| Zild |
| I wanted an Empath, but since I already have a scratch mixer I went for the 62 instead. It is quite a bit more complicated though. I'm going to pick up a TTM 56 when I can save enough money. |
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