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UFC 91: Lesnar vs Couture (pg. 4)
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| Dave Akermanis |
Lololol... Lesnar punched couture 30x in the face... New heavyweight champ. yea.
Retirement time for couture! |
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| petro |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dave Akermanis
Lololol... Lesnar punched couture 30x in the face... New heavyweight champ. yea.
Retirement time for couture! |
I cant help but feel sadness after watching that fight...feels like Couture was robbed of a legacy that he deserved. If he got the Fedor fight and lost, at least he would've gone down in the books as the 2nd greatest HW of all time..instead he was forced to fight beefcake Lesnar and lose in a humiliating fashion. I guess the UFC got the last laugh on Couture. *sigh* |
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| klobo |
couture isn't fone yet!
i think he still has one match in his contract.
he did not get dominated in this match,he should have stick to what he did at the begining,get close to lesnar, he did open lesnar's eye
one hit by lesnar,then he's down...
he was trying to take him down too much as well....45 pounds different,it would have been a awesome to c him do that.
can't wait for next ufc though!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
LOL @ that entire paragraph. :D
edit: I don't mean to disregard your opinion, I just think you're not giving Randy enough credit and overestimating Lesnar.
well, it's about to begin....obviously, I'm pulling for Randy, but here's hoping for a good, decisive fight with no b.s. controversial ending, no matter who wins.
just an FYI for everyone, it's available live online... though I in no way support or condone skirting the ridiculous $54.99 price for an HD broadcast :D |
He won, second round, you were saying...?
I don't know much about UFC, but I've been at the top in physical competition (albeit a very nerdy one), I've personally noted the difference that preparation can make, and I've personally seen how just a year can start to take it's toll on a guy once they hit their mid-late 30's. No matter how experienced you are, at 45, you simply don't have the reflexes and quickness that you did, even at 44. You could tell that Randy had the right idea, wearing down Lesnar on the cage (I think Randy has the better conditioning), but he simply didn't have the speed he thought he did to be able to dodge Lesnar's attacks. If he had made it to mid-way 3rd round, then he probably could have won the fight handily, you could see Lesnar was slowin down and breathing hard. But he didn't make it that far.
If Lesnar was training 4/5 times a week in a gym in downtown NY, I would have given Randy more credit, but he was training for 9 weeks straight in isolation. That's hardcore preperation. Combine that with being in his physical prime, 45 pounds heavier at WEIGH IN (he probably packs in 10-15 extra pounds over the 24 hours period before the fight), and his ability to out-wrestle Randy (which he'd never had to deal with before from a fighter so much bigger)... It wasn't a tough call. |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by gummybear
...lesnar is 1-1 and is still the new kid on the block with a lot to prove...he should focus on winning fights..and MAYBE after he has accomplished half of what couture has..he can spank tito too..
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btw, this is why tito got spanked..he was calling couture an old man..so he got pwned in the ring..by being spanked by the "old man" |
Harring was talking mad about Lesnar before their fight too, but like you said, it's a tad different when you've already earned your stripes. Winning just your first match, in just your second match ever in UFC... rodeo-riding your opponent is damn cocky. |
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| VERTiG0 |
| Lesnar is the real in' deal. YES. |
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| Vivid Boy |
I don't know why Couture came out to fight smiling and joking, and came into that fight with that game plan. Horrible. He should have tried to put lesnar on his back and fought him from there.
All he had to do was last until the third round and he could have finished lesnar quickly and with ease. Looks like fedor is going to have to tear apart lesnar |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| I don't think Lesnar was even tested in that match.....I would like to see a Lesnar vs Mir rematch. |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
He won, second round, you were saying...?
I don't know much about UFC, but I've been at the top in physical competition (albeit a very nerdy one), I've personally noted the difference that preparation can make, and I've personally seen how just a year can start to take it's toll on a guy once they hit their mid-late 30's. No matter how experienced you are, at 45, you simply don't have the reflexes and quickness that you did, even at 44. You could tell that Randy had the right idea, wearing down Lesnar on the cage (I think Randy has the better conditioning), but he simply didn't have the speed he thought he did to be able to dodge Lesnar's attacks. If he had made it to mid-way 3rd round, then he probably could have won the fight handily, you could see Lesnar was slowin down and breathing hard. But he didn't make it that far.
If Lesnar was training 4/5 times a week in a gym in downtown NY, I would have given Randy more credit, but he was training for 9 weeks straight in isolation. That's hardcore preperation. Combine that with being in his physical prime, 45 pounds heavier at WEIGH IN (he probably packs in 10-15 extra pounds over the 24 hours period before the fight), and his ability to out-wrestle Randy (which he'd never had to deal with before from a fighter so much bigger)... It wasn't a tough call. |
now now...you can't use the result to justify the prediction ;) and you can't say it wasn't a tough call when the odds were so close and those within the sport felt Randy would win (I'd suggest some of them are biased though, lol). I also don't understand why you think Lesnar's training is so vastly superior to that of Couture or otherwise offsets Randy's advantages.
Lesnar indeed proved my bet wrong, but it was a good fight with no controversy, so I'm not complaining. congrats to Brock and I hope we see him fight Nogueira at some point.
It was interesting to see that Lesnar's size, weight and wrestling didn't directly win him the fight (though obviously helped him defend the takedown attempts of Randy). People figured he's take him down, outwrestle him and pound him out on the ground. He caught him with a punch. I think Randy handled himself in the clinch and on the ground far better than his critics expected, reversing once and standing up on another occasion. |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
I don't think Lesnar was even tested in that match.....I would like to see a Lesnar vs Mir rematch. |
against Herring or Couture?
He dominated Herring, but if you mean Couture, you must have been watching a different fight than me, lol. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
against Herring or Couture?
He dominated Herring, but if you mean Couture, you must have been watching a different fight than me, lol. |
in any of his fights.....the only time he was put in a bad situation was with Mir and he just lost focus for a second and Mir caught his leg. Couture never had LEsner back peddling or had him in a dominate position. |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
now now...you can't use the result to justify the prediction ;) and you can't say it wasn't a tough call when the odds were so close and those within the sport felt Randy would win (I'd suggest some of them are biased though, lol). I also don't understand why you think Lesnar's training is so vastly superior to that of Couture or otherwise offsets Randy's advantages.
Lesnar indeed proved my bet wrong, but it was a good fight with no controversy, so I'm not complaining. congrats to Brock and I hope we see him fight Nogueira at some point.
It was interesting to see that Lesnar's size, weight and wrestling didn't directly win him the fight (though obviously helped him defend the takedown attempts of Randy). People figured he's take him down, outwrestle him and pound him out on the ground. He caught him with a punch. I think Randy handled himself in the clinch and on the ground far better than his critics expected, reversing once and standing up on another occasion. |
I don't have to 'justify' any prediction, I was right, and for the right reasons. I made my prediction based on cold, hard observations, combined with weighting how each fighter's pros outweighed their cons. Ya, Randy did a great job of defending take-downs by Lesnar, but other thank tiring Lesnar out against the cage, Lesnar was never really in any trouble. The striking is where the age-factor would actually be the most defining difference, because it's possible to keep well-conditioned as you get older, which definitely helps in the wrestling situations, but there's not much you can do to improve your reflexes or retain your speed. That's why boxing come-backs are so hard. If Randy had a chance in this fight, it was wrestling around with Lesnar and tiring him out... which he DID, actually, try to do.
About the training, it's not that his was superior, it's that his training was the right way to do it. No distractions, no half-assing it. 9 weeks in isolated, daily (at least 6 days a week) training is a hardcore training regime. I don't know how it compared to Randy's own training, but it was certainly serious enough that you knew he wasn't being cocky about it.
Randy's only advantage was experience and conditioning, and it's not like Lesnar's never had to tangle before, he knows how to win. He's a champion wrestler. Randy had experience and probably better stamina, certainly more mental discipline, but that's not always enough to overcome raw talent, especially coming in cold after a year off, rust may have played an factor too. Lesnar is hungry to win, and he's the younger, stronger, faster, bigger fighter. *I* don't understand why you put so much weight on the odds-makers (it's not like they had a lot to go on) and 'those within the sport' (clearly biased against Lesnar so far) instead of using your own observations and your own intelligent mind (I know you are, I've argued with you enough over these boards :p). Scouts don't need to actually PLAY a sport to be good scouts.
I was just as intrigued that the wrestling experience of Lesnar didn't show that well against Randy. But it seems as if their wrestling skills actually negated eachother. If Lesnar wasn't so huge and/or didn't HAVE the wrestling experience he does, I'm sure Randy would have been able to be more effective with his own wrestling ability. The fact that he wasn't able to control Lesnar on the ground like the other big-men he's faced meant he had to tire him out on the cage or stand up and fight, which is to his disadvantage. Had he continued to control Lesnar on the cage, I'm sure Lesnar would have tired out by round 3 and Randy would have grabbed the advantage. |
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