Originally posted by Lira
Russian soft vowels are preceded by a "j" in central/eastern European languages,
what is a soft vowel though? vocoids cannot be softened/palatalized, only contoids can. the glide appears before some russian vowels because they undergo iotation on the phonemic level - i.e. they are inherently iotated but only appear as such in open positions. this process is a vestige of the old church slavonic phonology.
edit: unless of course by "soft vowel" you refer to a diphthong.
Lira
quote:
Originally posted by Noisician
what is a soft vowel though? vocoids cannot be softened/palatalized, only contoids can. the glide appears before some russian vowels because they undergo iotation on the phonemic level - i.e. they are inherently iotated but only appear as such in open positions. this process is a vestige of the old church slavonic phonology.
edit: unless of course by "soft vowel" you refer to a diphthong.
Yup, I refer to the dipthongs, as normative Russian grammar, as far as I know, calls them "soft vowels", as opposed to the vowels not preceded by this iotation (the so-called "hard vowels"). As you can read in that link, terminology is not exactly the best thing this kind of grammar has to offer (as normative grammars often tend to be confusing in this regard anyway). But it's a good way of talking to people who don't know much about linguistics without scaring them.
By the way, I didn't know you liked this kind of thing. Do you study phonology (and possibly phonetics and everything else related to sound and noise :p) on your own, or are you a student of linguistics?
airwalker1
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Originally posted by elFreak
Have you realized that all this attempt of conversation is taking away from quality poon time? Be a man, fart, swear, treat her like garbage and you will be happy.
yeah be a fat smelly cheech lookalike,just like elfrak:whip: :whip: :haha:
elFreak
analyze this lira.
airwalker1
quote:
Originally posted by elFreak
analyze this lira.
yeah it wont be to hard to out think elfreak:haha:
elFreak
of curse not im naw collige edumacatd.
airwalker1
quote:
Originally posted by elFreak
of curse not im naw collige edumacatd.
no their is no hope for you
Noisician
quote:
Originally posted by Lira
Yup, I refer to the dipthongs, as normative Russian grammar, as far as I know, calls them "soft vowels", as opposed to the vowels not preceded by this iotation (the so-called "hard vowels"). As you can read in that link, terminology is not exactly the best thing this kind of grammar has to offer (as normative grammars often tend to be confusing in this regard anyway). But it's a good way of talking to people who don't know much about linguistics without scaring them.
By the way, I didn't know you liked this kind of thing. Do you study phonology (and possibly phonetics and everything else related to sound and noise :p) on your own, or are you a student of linguistics?
yeah, their terminology seems pretty slanted.
i was a double major in mathematics/linguistics. as you can probably guess, my main areas of interest were generative semantics, modal systems, and set theory.
Lira
quote:
Originally posted by elFreak
analyze this lira.
Yup, sure. First, here's the transcription:
quote:
Bibidy, bom bi bom, make, house go man (house go mad?)
Bibidy, bom bi bom, make, jazz go man (jazz go mad?)
Bibidy, bom bi bom, make, house go man
Bibidy, bom bi bom, make, jazz go man
Bibidy, bom bi bom, make, house go man
Bibidy, bom bi bom, make, jazz go man
Bibidy, bom bi bom, make, house go man
Bibidy bi bom, bibidy bi bom, bibidy bi bom, bibidy bi bom
Bibidy, bom bi bom, make, house go man
Bibidy, bom bi bom, make, jazz go man
Bibidy, bom bi bom, make, house go man
Bibidy, bom bi bom, make, jazz go man
Bibidy, bom bi bom, make, house go man
Bibidy, bom bi bom, make, jazz go man
Bibidy, bom bi bom, make, house go man
Bibidy bi bom, bibidy bi bom, bibidy bi bom, bibidy bi bom
Go on, move, make your body groove
Go on, move, to the funky groove
Go on, move, make your body groove
Go on, move, to the funky groove
Woman, shake, shake, shake your body
Shake your Body so the man can see
Woman, shake, shake, shake your body
Shake your Body so the man can see
Woman, move, move, move your body
Move your body so the man can see
Woman, move, move, move your body
Move your body so the man can see
Woman, original mad stuntman is a trinidadian
Have enough style, have enough pattern
All of the girls, me want your cooperation
Round the university and round the nation
You know that Sonya, Jackie, and Karen them
Body look good
And then wind them bottom in America, Canada
And England
Move your body girl, your better move it in a motion
Woman, look cute, when them dance combination
All over the world, all over the nation
Body look sweet, when them a wine them botton
Winter, spring, summer and autumn
Up and down, up and down in a motion
I love it so much, it gives me commotion
Like them hips curves and patterns, wind your body girl so, so
Go on, move, make your body groove
Go on, move, to the funky groove
Go on, move, make your body groove
Go on, move, to the funky groove
Move, move
(Reel 2 Real)
(Reel 2 Real)
Move your body good, move your body good
Move your body, move your body, move your body
Move your body good, move your body good
Move your body, move your body, move your body
Because, woman, look nice, and, woman, look sweet
Me love it when you move it, when you move it to the beat
Move it to the left, move it to the right
Move your body, girl, me stay 'till daylight
(Bop, bop!) Jump up wave your hands
(Bop, bop!) Jump up wine your bottom
(Bop, bop!) Jump up and move in motion
(Bop, bop!) Jump up and sing with stuntman
(Bop!) Go on, Go on, shake your body!
(Bop, bop!) Jump up so the man can see
(Bop, bop!) Everybody them feeling happy
So jump around and join de party
Go on, move, make your body groove
Go on, move, to the funky groove
Go on, move, make your body groove
Go on, move, to the funky groove
Go on, move (Bibidy, bom), make your body groove
Go on, move (Bibidy, bom), make your body groove
Go on, move (Bibidy, bom), make your body groove
Go on, move (Bibidy, bom), make your body groove
Bibidy, bom bi bom, make, house go man
Bibidy, bom bi bom, make, jazz go man
Bibidy, bom bi bom, make, house go man
Bibidy, bom bi bom, make, jazz go man
Bibidy, bom bi bom, make, house go man
Bibidy, bom bi bom, make, jazz go man
Bibidy, bom bi bom, make, house go man
Bibidy bi bom, bibidy bi bom, bibidy bi bom, bibidy bi bom
(Reel 2 Real)
(Reel 2 Real)
Go on, move, make your body groove
Go on, move, to the funky groove
Go on, move (Bibidy, bom), make your body groove
Go on, move (Bibidy, bom), to the funky groove
Here are quite a few interesting things:
1) Because of language contact, the phonology of Trinidadian English exhibits quite a few peculiarities. Firstly, there are fewer vowels compared to other dialects of English, such as yours (it seems there are just 6 vowels contrasted in his speech, as far as I can tell). It's non-rhotic (i.e. they don't bother pronouncing the "r" before consonants and in the end of words, and it often changes the quantity of the preceding vowel), and there seems to be a limit regarding what vowels can appear in coda position of a syllable (i.e. in the end), reason why he often adds a vowel in the end of some words.
2) Regarding syntax, it uses "me" as a subject (Me love it), which is quite common in other Caribbean varieties of English. Also, he seems to use "the man" as a indeterminate subject marker, not unlike "Das Mann" in German. This is actually quite a common feature in many different (and unrelated) languages.
3) He likes the sounds of bilabial consonants, probably imitating an aphasic friend of his whose tongue may have become swollen due to some DST, probably caused by a trip of elFreak to the Caribbean.
4) As an important piece of early house music, strongly influenced by the 2nd Wave of Chicago House, this is a prequel to "I like to move it", as you need to "Go on Move" before you can make an emotional judgement concerning your movements, concerning preferences and dislikes.
5) Last, and not least, this tune is awesome :D
diggerz
Is your girl from Texas?
Lira
quote:
Originally posted by Noisician
yeah, their terminology seems pretty slanted.
i was a double major in mathematics/linguistics. as you can probably guess, my main areas of interest were generative semantics, modal systems, and set theory.
Nice :)
My main areas of interest are linguistic typology and functional grammar. Lately, I've been doing some research on Aktionsarten in Brazilian Japanese... but, because my tutor (?) is the only person in the whole faculty working under a functionalist perspective, I'm quite used to being among Generativists :D
sensorium
rather than critiquing her for the stuff she doesn't know, although that stuff might be seen as basic, you should celebrate the stuff she does know. surely there are other things she knows.
