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Whats the *most* time you ever spent on a track? (pg. 4)
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| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
Now THIS is my real question.
Is this different for pros?
Say ie Ferry, Aphex, Orbit or whoever, are these guys generally taking similar spans of time like say on avg 1 day - 1 month?
Or do pros generally take longer, like maybe 4-6 months a track?
Or is there no real difference timewise between amateurs and pros?
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The professionals are just like us, they can spend anything from 4 hours to 3 years on a track.
Its all about how good your idea for a track is, difference between us and pro`s is that they have easier to get their ideas down musically due to their skill and knowledge.
While a not so skilled producer would spend longer time making the sounds he has in mind.
It all just varies too much to be able to pinpoint an exact answer, if u are lucky and get the perfect bassline on the first try then uve saved alot of hours, and the same applies to the other elements as well.
So when a producer spends 4 hours on a track that means he got lucky and got the right elements for the track really fast.
But i would think that any producer regardless of skill is going to see himself tweaking a sound for hours, days or weeks without getting the sound right, and thats when a track starts to take time. |
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| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by palm
if it doesnt fit pretty fast i might as well start a new one. tho some tracks that only needs work on levels, eqing etc (at the point where structure, synths etc is finished) might take forever, also beacuse i use alot of time just listening to the track and comparing it to other stuff i think sound good. |
+1 on this
i usually will organise/assemble a track really quickly in a few hours have it how it will stay, but the real time comes in EQing and getting good sounds for my synths etc... getting all the levels right... what a pain :p |
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| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by EgosXII
+1 on this
i usually will organise/assemble a track really quickly in a few hours have it how it will stay, but the real time comes in EQing and getting good sounds for my synths etc... getting all the levels right... what a pain :p |
For what it is worth: I used to have this problem until I got REALLY good monitors. Now, mixdowns are quick and painless. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eric J
For what it is worth: I used to have this problem until I got REALLY good monitors. Now, mixdowns are quick and painless. |
Which monitors do you have? |
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| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Which monitors do you have? |
Focal Twin 6. I posted a review of them a while back. Here is the link to the thread:
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...0&forumid=48&s=
I sold a large portion of my underutilized hardware to finance them, but they have made a much larger difference in my work than all the hardware they replaced. I highly recommend them. |
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| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eric J
For what it is worth: I used to have this problem until I got REALLY good monitors. Now, mixdowns are quick and painless. |
yeah i think it is entirely the problem, but can't afford good stuff :(
gonna get a decent sound card, then look at some monitors and i know it'll speed up the mixing process heaps :D
it's all just bloody expensive :( (worth it tho ;) ) |
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| airwalker1 |
i always find building things up the most tiresome proses,trying to get things to work for you is a pain.
and i agree with everybody Else's post to |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
So, just to add something to an old topic...
I've been working on a track for a couple weeks, for a little bit each day. Previously I would have scrapped it after a few days, but instead of doing that I'm experimenting with it, trying out new parts, taking it in new directions, and I feel like it's developing into something very nice.
Maybe persistence really is the key, like Robby said -- learning to transform any initial idea into something workable or even beautiful through a gradual process. I've always relied on those rare "Aha!" moments and then felt depressed at my "lack of inspiration" whenever things didn't click within a couple of days. But now I'm thinking that steady work and refinement, and simply never giving up, may let me make better music in the long run. |
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| Stephen Wiley |
I am not going to throw any names out, but i've seen somebody create 5 tracks in 11 hours, engineering and all, for an album release that was released 3 weeks later by one of the biggest labels in dance music. These were not rinse and repeat trance tracks either. Each track was extremely unique and the whole album just blows my mind. Fine - I'll give in. Story line. The "EP" was originally scheduled for only 3 tracks, and later morphed into an album with more tracks. The tracks were made so quickly Perfecto never got the memo to change the name of the album from Halloween EP to something else (can't remember the name, but it was an album name).
Robert Vadney - Halloween EP
Absolutely mind blowing album. I can't believe it didn't do well. |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
I tried to apply this idea (of the thread) to actual life, and general attitudes I notice in people.
I'm not trying to say everyones ed up, but this is what I've noticed after this thread by just focusing on human nature.
PEOPLE HATE WAITING.
So many failures in life are to something called the "expedience factor".
Not saving money because you want something.
People who don't go to college so they can work (make money now, make no real money the rest of your life)
Not studying for a test because you want to watch tv.
Eating a snickers bar instead of broccoli.
This "EP" factor manifest in all aspects of life, and music is no exception.
People DO think about their futures, but the most successful people in this world (this is not new, studies have shown this a long time ago)Are ALWAYS delaying gratification.
They eat the broccoli now for health later rather than taste now.
They study now for a good grade later rather than laughing at a tv show now.
They drive a honda civic rather than a corvette EVEN WHEN they have the money now. They realize how aligning priorities realistically is one of the hardest things for people to do, and this is why they succeed.
How does this translate to music?
Well imo, HOW MANY PEOPLE JUST FRIGGN "scrap a track"?
Where did this mentality come from "if its not working just burn the idea NOW"?
Than even worse, learning to start over reinforces a lack of skills in an area called persistence.
It becomes a trap.
You actually teach yourself how to unlearn the skills needed to succeed by being persistent.
Because people persist so little, they don't realize why persisting now will make them fail.
"Ok, maybe this time I'll give this track some extra time, maybe a month or 2" Than what happens?
The track still fails.
BECAUSE the person doesn't realize persistence is a SKILL more than an action.
The extra time by itself doesn't = success or persistence.
The knowledge of how to use the extra time successfully DOES = persistence.
Thats what I've learned. (and reread that last sentence for anyone who got ADD'd out by it, it was the most important part of this post imo).
Learning to "scrap a track" = unlearning how to make a track work in SO MANY fundamental ways.
Does a track sometimes just have no hope at all?
Absolutely.
But most of the time its you "just getting bored" with it.
By all means you should have fun making music, but good music is NOT all about just having fun, it also incorporates a large degree of frustration, anger, persistence and all of those things.
Just my 2 cents again. |
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| Anarkey |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
I tried to apply this idea (of the thread) to actual life, and general attitudes I notice in people.
I'm not trying to say everyones ed up, but this is what I've noticed after this thread by just focusing on human nature.
PEOPLE HATE WAITING.
So many failures in life are to something called the "expedience factor".
Not saving money because you want something.
People who don't go to college so they can work (make money now, make no real money the rest of your life)
Not studying for a test because you want to watch tv.
Eating a snickers bar instead of broccoli.
This "EP" factor manifest in all aspects of life, and music is no exception.
People DO think about their futures, but the most successful people in this world (this is not new, studies have shown this a long time ago)Are ALWAYS delaying gratification.
They eat the broccoli now for health later rather than taste now.
They study now for a good grade later rather than laughing at a tv show now.
They drive a honda civic rather than a corvette EVEN WHEN they have the money now. They realize how aligning priorities realistically is one of the hardest things for people to do, and this is why they succeed.
How does this translate to music?
Well imo, HOW MANY PEOPLE JUST FRIGGN "scrap a track"?
Where did this mentality come from "if its not working just burn the idea NOW"?
Than even worse, learning to start over reinforces a lack of skills in an area called persistence.
It becomes a trap.
You actually teach yourself how to unlearn the skills needed to succeed by being persistent.
Because people persist so little, they don't realize why persisting now will make them fail.
"Ok, maybe this time I'll give this track some extra time, maybe a month or 2" Than what happens?
The track still fails.
BECAUSE the person doesn't realize persistence is a SKILL more than an action.
The extra time by itself doesn't = success or persistence.
The knowledge of how to use the extra time successfully DOES = persistence.
Thats what I've learned. (and reread that last sentence for anyone who got ADD'd out by it, it was the most important part of this post imo).
Learning to "scrap a track" = unlearning how to make a track work in SO MANY fundamental ways.
Does a track sometimes just have no hope at all?
Absolutely.
But most of the time its you "just getting bored" with it.
By all means you should have fun making music, but good music is NOT all about just having fun, it also incorporates a large degree of frustration, anger, persistence and all of those things.
Just my 2 cents again. |
*Teary Eyed Golfclap*
I agree with this, entirely.
"So many people live within unhappy circumstances and yet will not take the initiative to change their situation because they are conditioned to a life of security, conformity, and conservatism, all of which may appear to give one peace of mind, but in reality nothing is more dangerous to the adventurous spirit within a man than a secure future. The very basic core of a man's living spirit is his passion for adventure. The joy of life comes from our encounters with new experiences, and hence there is no greater joy than to have an endlessly changing horizon, for each day to have a new and different sun."
— Chris McCandless
It's not identical, but I believe very relevant, IMO. |
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