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| CHRles |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Damerchi
Its apartheid, |
Most of the population in Israel is Jewish, deal with it.
There's apartheid in other parts of the Middle East. In oil-rich countries close to 80 percent of the population is oftentimes made up of foreigners who are treated as second class citizens. Indians and Pakistanis make up a very large part of those foreigners.
And whats the deal with Palestinian refugee camps in countries like Lebanon? You dont see Cubans who have fled to America living in refugee camps.
How about the status of Kurds in some of the Middle Eastern countries? Why don't you talk about them? |
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| qussay |
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LOL ... are you serious ???
first of all , i think you should read the title of the thread , and then look back at what you wrote ! You can talk about anything you want , just open a topic about that subject :D
Second , so , youre comparing the israeli palestinian conflict , with people who WILLINGLY decided to leave their country , and go work in another country ?? I am not saying they are treated well , most of those people are really mistreated , but in no way , you can assume its aparthied !! lol ...
You know , those people you are talking about , can leave whenever they want !!! Ok , maybe thay have a contract for a couple of years , but then , its their choice to continue or head back home !!
finally ... check the statistics of the population .... Keeping in mind that Israel does all it can to promote immigration to Iseael , and at the same time , refuses any Palestinian's right of return to their country .. !!! |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
Israel is an occupier of both the west bank and gaza on repeated occasions. They still seize boats, they still prevent ports or airports from operating, they still stop shipments by sea to the Gaza Seaside, they still destroy tunnels in Gaza. They still control taxation and foreign investments in way of import allowances which are all screened by Israel, how can you say this is not an occupation. |
no, you said - "I meant oversee the issues such as territorial waters, taxation, etc.. for the palastinians rather than the israelis" - now, wtf are you talking about exactly?
i'll type reeeel slooooow so you can understand...what more do you want Egypt to do other than what they've agreed to through past obligations
| quote: | | I'm talking about how Israel has been killing palastinians for more than 50 years now - like 60, while Egypt has remained more or less at peace with Palastine. Of course Egypt will be able to help form a more stable and functioning government for the good of the people, so less radicals come out, and the need for national security forces such as Hamas to be actively engaged on a regular basis is removed, and then maybe a real chance for a life can exist rather than infrequent incursions by Israel into its neighbours, which do neither Israel nor their neighbours any real benifits, because it is never lasting. |
again, either you're too stupid to understand this or you're just ing with me. Arabs, Egyptian or otherwise, have little interest in taking on or taking over what is already an UN mandated, politically autonomous Gaza strip.
what would be any Arab government's incentive for babysitting a psychotic basketcase that is Gazan domestic politics? Hamas is an international political pariah on par with Robert Mugabe or even Al Queera. no one, not even Palestinians in the West Bank want much to do with Hamas.
every one of those links including whatever "bunches more" you could provide occur after the Israeli unilateral disengagement plan ending in 2006.
how in the do you think Hamas efectively controls Gaza now? how do you think Hamas pushed out Fatah after the very first free elections ever held in a Palestine, so to speak? do you think Israel just let them have elections all of sudden while they still controled Gaza strip? NO! Israel washed their hands of Gaza years ago. everything after that is a response to rocket attacks and incursions from Gaza strip and Hamas.
| quote: | | By the way what happened doesn't matter, it is what you would like to happen. |
i would like to see Hamas do a lot of things, but....c'mon it's Hamas. are they going to try and take care of their people and responsibilities better before they start executing their plans of destruction for all things Israeli in the name of a war the Arabs lost 50 years ago? no. they're completely and hopelessly irrational.
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'm appaled Israel has been scraping its but for the last 3 years on deploying rocket defence, and having secure border security patrols, and instead have chose to waste millions of dollars ruining the local economies and souring relations with their neighbours more. |
thats the nifty thing about Kasams and Katyusha's you can't defend against them. there is no "missile shield" that can protect Israeli targets from them. they're like very long range mortars except with mortars you can pinpoint a reasonable target area. kasam's and katyusha's just end up down range somewhere...and they just keep coming. Hamas just keeps producing them out of thin air i suppose, like magic. like they dig them out of some ancient Babylonian rocket mine somewhere:rolleyes: |
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| TranceGiant |
| Q5echo, I have no idea why you keep writing "Al Queera", but other than that excellent points! |
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| Q5echo |
| i know it's probably getting old, but they're such pricks though |
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| DJ Damerchi |
| quote: | Originally posted by CHRles
Most of the population in Israel is Jewish, deal with it.
There's apartheid in other parts of the Middle East. In oil-rich countries close to 80 percent of the population is oftentimes made up of foreigners who are treated as second class citizens. Indians and Pakistanis make up a very large part of those foreigners.
And whats the deal with Palestinian refugee camps in countries like Lebanon? You dont see Cubans who have fled to America living in refugee camps.
How about the status of Kurds in some of the Middle Eastern countries? Why don't you talk about them? |
the middle eastern countries arent angels either, I am half kurdish so i do have a large sympathy for the Kurdish cause(although in the North of Iraq they are corrupt as ). I think Israel going sending mosaad & co in to Iraqi kurdistan to train commandos may stir up some with the Kurds and Arabs.
when migrant workers come to the gulf countries, they are willing workers, on working visas. the only difference is that they constitute a large majority in these countries,whereas in most countries expats are just a small minority, but expats exist all over the globe.
and no, I am not justifying the inhumane treatment of the construction worker class, i think they are in breach of human rights but since the international community started poking its head in they are slowly starting to make atleast some modifications(like free healthcare...im regarding the UAE specifically)
and theres a difference between creating a divide between citizens of the same country and a citizens/ expat worker divide .
| quote: | | And whats the deal with Palestinian refugee camps in countries like Lebanon? You dont see Cubans who have fled to America living in refugee camps. |
you cant draw this parallel, the palestianian gov was based in Lebanon during the civil conflict, I dont recall the cuban government being based in Florida or some running ops. |
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| Adam420 |
| Guys, Trance Giant is right on the money. I read his arguments and he has done his homework way better than any of you, by far. The rest of you need to STFU and fast. |
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| DJ Damerchi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Adam420
Guys, Trance Giant is right on the money. I read his arguments and he has done his homework way better than any of you, by far. The rest of you need to STFU and fast. |
man, alot of people have done their homework here, just because it doesnt correspond with your personal views doesnt mean you have to discredit the fact that they have also obtained objective information about the situation. |
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| CHRles |
Looks like some of Israel's Arab neighbors have done their homework as well.
Israeli media is all over the news that the Israeli government got the go-ahead from SEVERAL Arab countries to take out the heads of Hamas. This is even bigger then getting the a-okay from America...
This doesnt just have to do with the fact that Hamas has constantly breached its cease-fire with Israel, but also with the fact that Hamas is supported by Iran. Behind closed doors The Arab states want Israel to take care of the Iranian problem.
Don't look for things to improve in Gaza anytime soon, not as long as Hamas is in charge. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by CHRles
Looks like some of Israel's Arab neighbors have done their homework as well.
Israeli media is all over the news that the Israeli government got the go-ahead from SEVERAL Arab countries to take out the heads of Hamas. This is even bigger then getting the a-okay from America...
This doesnt just have to do with the fact that Hamas has constantly breached its cease-fire with Israel, but also with the fact that Hamas is supported by Iran. Behind closed doors The Arab states want Israel to take care of the Iranian problem.
Don't look for things to improve in Gaza anytime soon, not as long as Hamas is in charge. |
Hamas was elected by the Palestinian people in a free and fair election. I haven't heard of any ties of Hamas to Iran, but if there is, so ing what? We have supported terrorist groups all over the world. |
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