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No more XTC for me........ (pg. 7)
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| Orbax |
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| u4ea:[soulstar] |
| quote: | Originally posted by kr00t0n
I cant remember where I read about the damage caused by THC, but it basically pointed to how THC can impair the brains recall and learning ability.
Please note that I didnt say that weed IS more damaging than E, it's just that research on E is still in it's early stages, and nothing is set in stone yet.
Here's a link to something similar to what I read about weed:
http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/pei/...l/marijuana.cfm
Cheerz
kr00t0n |
ahaha.. sorry, not laughing at you but the AG's load of old DEA BS. If it was truly de facto was his claims, he should back it up with references from studies. Every point he's made, a corresponding study can refute it.
About memory and learning impairment, it wass well-known in Mj cultivation community before any study was done to verify it. the impairment generally is short-term than it is long-term, unless the person is already psychologically unstable or has bad memory. And not all marijuana impairs the brain. I would certainly like to know what strains were used to back up the findings cuz I can easily present facts that speak the opposite: a combined strength of higher Sativa and lower Indica will not impair the brain in whatever way; neurologically, physically, or psychologically. Most of what's on the market is Indica only that will impaire the user short-term, like being inebriated (sic) with liquor.
Like I said, the only palpable damage is to the respiratory system via long-term smoking (carcinogens). There is a good chance of eventual damage if user has respiratory illnesses already. The cleanest way to smoke weed is to vaporize it or to extract the THC oil before ingestion, which pretty much refutes AG's claim that weed is bad or worser than tobacco. |
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| Screenp2 |
Ok.. I'll add my $.02.
I quit xtc almost 2 yrs ago.. this is my story
I ate my first pill sometime in 93 or so. It was 150mg of pure MDMA. Didn't really know what it was as i was told it would "feel" good. Tasted like and the beers I used to wash it down didn't help the taste go away. All i noticed was the music sounded a little different and the lights were a little brighter. Had I known then what I know now, that would have been the best roll of my life had I known how to kick it off and "Blow up"...
The second pill i ate was at a Sasha & Digweed party in the summer of 98, that was the beginning of the end, the music took away my legs and gave me a magic carpet to ride around. Took 2 more pills that night and went to my first "after party" which then led to the after the after party. From that point on it was 3 pills the next night and i couldn't wait till next weekend. Thursday night comes and down goes a pill, then another and another and another, next thing i know it's monday morning and I can't remember when the last time I ate food was.
This went on for almost 3 years, thursday night to monday morning, club to after party, to club to after party.
I'd estimate I consumed over 6000 pills in those 3 years. I barely rolled in the end as my tolerance was so high.
If I wasn't rolling I was snorting coke, then drinking to offest that, then eat more pills, then do more coke.
In the beginning the high was incredible as the pills were of excellent quality, over time it lessened and turned into depression, headaches, extreme weight loss, decreased brain capacity, hot flashes, cold sweats and worst of all memory loss. I still can't remember what I had for breakfast. i have to write everything down and have post it notes everywhere. I constantly forget where i park my car. I forgot my entire childhood and only remember vaguley all the parties I went to. I sure remember waking up in jail a few ocassions. It's kind or ironic that the main remembrence points in my life are drugs and music.
One day I woke up with a loaded gun in my hand and realized it was time to quit or I'd kill myself from the severe depression I was in.
I got rid of all the pills I had, flushed the coke, smoked the weed, drank the booze and checked myself into rehab.
I haven't touched a pill since I walked out of those doors.
Somewhere along the way someone put a record in my hand and headphones on my ears, taught me to spin and helped open my eyes to the only drug I'll ever need, a set of steel weelz and vinyl loaded with energy.
Music is my drug of choice now, that and kind nugz..
If you havent quit eating E yet... do it now. It's bad .
--Dj EmulsioN |
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| Damo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Screenp2
I got rid of all the pills I had, flushed the coke, smoked the weed, drank the booze and checked myself into rehab. |
congrats man, but i found this too funny.... who in their right mind would throw away weed....haha, even recovring druggies finish smoking their weed... chronic is the best drug bar none... i pretty much gave up drinking after one horrendous party i attended and got demolished and ended up making an ass of myself... i rarely drink anymore, maybe a few brews here or there, or a few shots of baccardi after smoking... i can't drink hardcore anymore... |
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| kr00t0n |
Screenp2, I can fully understand your point, but not everyone who takes goes through such extremes as you did.
I'm sure that alot of us who do, do so fully aware of all the consequences and have certain standards set.
I for one have a very specific policy with drugs:
If I ever really want to be on a specific drug, at some random time (ie. sitting at home on a wednesday afternoon wishing I had some speed, to do, by myself), I would instantly stop taking that drug.
The above mentioned 'ie' did happen to me, and I've not touched speed since.
People just handle things differently, and it all depends on the kind of person and the social circle he/she has.
I luckily have a very close-knit bunch of friends, and we keep each-other in check. :D
Good on ya for quitting tho :)
Cheerz
kr00t0n |
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| Slylee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Screenp2
Ok.. I'll add my $.02.
I quit xtc almost 2 yrs ago.. this is my story
I ate my first pill sometime in 93 or so. It was 150mg of pure MDMA. Didn't really know what it was as i was told it would "feel" good. Tasted like and the beers I used to wash it down didn't help the taste go away. All i noticed was the music sounded a little different and the lights were a little brighter. Had I known then what I know now, that would have been the best roll of my life had I known how to kick it off and "Blow up"...
The second pill i ate was at a Sasha & Digweed party in the summer of 98, that was the beginning of the end, the music took away my legs and gave me a magic carpet to ride around. Took 2 more pills that night and went to my first "after party" which then led to the after the after party. From that point on it was 3 pills the next night and i couldn't wait till next weekend. Thursday night comes and down goes a pill, then another and another and another, next thing i know it's monday morning and I can't remember when the last time I ate food was.
This went on for almost 3 years, thursday night to monday morning, club to after party, to club to after party.
I'd estimate I consumed over 6000 pills in those 3 years. I barely rolled in the end as my tolerance was so high.
If I wasn't rolling I was snorting coke, then drinking to offest that, then eat more pills, then do more coke.
In the beginning the high was incredible as the pills were of excellent quality, over time it lessened and turned into depression, headaches, extreme weight loss, decreased brain capacity, hot flashes, cold sweats and worst of all memory loss. I still can't remember what I had for breakfast. i have to write everything down and have post it notes everywhere. I constantly forget where i park my car. I forgot my entire childhood and only remember vaguley all the parties I went to. I sure remember waking up in jail a few ocassions. It's kind or ironic that the main remembrence points in my life are drugs and music.
One day I woke up with a loaded gun in my hand and realized it was time to quit or I'd kill myself from the severe depression I was in.
I got rid of all the pills I had, flushed the coke, smoked the weed, drank the booze and checked myself into rehab.
I haven't touched a pill since I walked out of those doors.
Somewhere along the way someone put a record in my hand and headphones on my ears, taught me to spin and helped open my eyes to the only drug I'll ever need, a set of steel weelz and vinyl loaded with energy.
Music is my drug of choice now, that and kind nugz..
If you havent quit eating E yet... do it now. It's bad .
--Dj EmulsioN |
damn dude u are awesome for quitting...i didnt have it that bad but i know EXACTLY what u mean about how u are now...always forgetting and losing stuff and i have like HORRIBLE short term memory:( it's slowly coming back now and i feel more alert i hope that is the case with u:) |
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| DJ Mikey Mike |
| quote: | Originally posted by Screenp2
One day I woke up with a loaded gun in my hand and realized it was time to quit or I'd kill myself from the severe depression I was in.
I got rid of all the pills I had, flushed the coke, smoked the weed, drank the booze and checked myself into rehab.
I haven't touched a pill since I walked out of those doors.
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dam man thats quite some story. Fair play to ya.
I havent ever touched the stuff. Reason for this is because of something nasty that happened to a friend of mine. There was a group of us when we were quite young, like 15, and a couple of my mates took 3 pills each. At first they were going mental and having a great time and i was considering doing one myself. But then it got well weird and my mates eyes started rolling and went well red, and was shivering well bad and stuff. After a while he disappeared. Nxt time we saw him was in hospital, after he'd jumped out a bedroom window at a party coz he thought he could fly. This was a couple of years ago and even nowadays he has trouble talking, eating, etc coz of the fall. After that nite i promised id never take xtc :eyes:
peace:)
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| Screenp2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by kr00t0n
Screenp2, I can fully understand your point, but not everyone who takes goes through such extremes as you did.
I'm sure that alot of us who do, do so fully aware of all the consequences and have certain standards set.
I for one have a very specific policy with drugs:
If I ever really want to be on a specific drug, at some random time (ie. sitting at home on a wednesday afternoon wishing I had some speed, to do, by myself), I would instantly stop taking that drug.
The above mentioned 'ie' did happen to me, and I've not touched speed since.
People just handle things differently, and it all depends on the kind of person and the social circle he/she has.
I luckily have a very close-knit bunch of friends, and we keep each-other in check. :D
Good on ya for quitting tho :)
Cheerz
kr00t0n |
Thanks kr00t0n,
I had that circle of friends, only our check was to make sure we all had something. We called ourselves the NutZ and wore nuts on a ball chain necklace. We were actually looked up at from others as we were at every party, always had the best , always had the best show of toys and generally knew where and what was going on.
Best thing i ever did was leave that group behind. I still have my necklace as a remembrance to what I used to be, an E-d out club rat looking for a party.
I now where a small silver record on a chain to remind me what I am now, an aspiring DJ looking to get back into the limelight.
As for that wednsday feeling, i still get that everytime I goto McDonalds and see the straw box sitting there.. we used to goto the drive through to get straws to snort our pills and coke.. They call those "triggers". Everytime i have one i just think about the 1200's in the bedroom and that new vinyl i got yesterday..
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| theeyesofdarkness |
ok im coming in to this a lil late but i just have to say my feelings on this subject. E is not horrible. its your fault if u abuse it not the drugs fault. e is not pysically addictive. if u are weak u will succomb to anything that makes you feel that good wether it is a relationship, sex, drugs, chocolate. i take e about once every 2-6 mths. ive taken it plenty of times but never in excess. and the reason i take it less and less often now is because the novelty has worn off. really good pills dont come around that often and its just not worth it to me if its just gonna be ok and not amazing. i also have never taken e to enjoy anything except well... the e. i enjoy the feeling e gives me. ive even taken it by myself at home because i wanted to know what it was like w/o any outside factors influencing the roll. and not because im a crackhead cause i hadnt done it in 6 months when i took it then. i dont take e to enjoy a party or to enjoy music or to forget about anything going on in my life i take e because i am in the mood to experience the feeling it brings upon me. and i know that lots of other poeple do too. its not to make music better or make clubbing better cause the music and the clubbing stay the same.. your mood and feelings and senses are what changes. and u also have to realize that just because u are stupid and drop 5 pills 3 nites a week doesnt make e bad. because e is not bad when used responsibly. alcohol is ten billion times as bad as e will ever be. but i have so many friends who talk about people who cant go out and not take e and yet they cant go out and not have a drink. whats the difference there? or people who say.. just smoke weed. weed is a "safer" drug but its not safe. i mean at what age where they telling us if your house sets on fire crawl on the ground and dont take in smoke. you are filling your lungs w/ smoke. that is HORRIBLE for your lungs. and for people who have taken e but have been smoking pot all day every day for longer than they ever did e dont need to be blaming e for that memory loss. before i ever did e i was a pothead that is what caused most if not all of the memory damage i have today. there are lots of benefits to e. my personality grew so much from taking it because it opened me up in ways i wouldve never allowed myself to. my outlook on life is different and its not that e was some life changing experience it just put me in a mood to where i was better capable of seeing things in a different light. ive always been a nice person but now i think im nicer because i have taken the way i will act and treat people while on e and i have brought that in my day to day sober life. im not going to say take e or dont take e. thats anyones individual decision. but dont blame e and have a false impression of it for your stupid decisions. does anyone seriously think that taking 15 pills in a weekend every weekend for 2 yrs will have no affect on our bodies?? do we really need doctors to tell us that?! at the end of that 2 yrs are u really suprised that you are so ed up u can barely remembre your own name? if so then u probably shouldnt be taking drugs cause u obviously have no clue on what exactly it is you are doing to yourself. ive lost a really close person to me to drugs and never once did i feel the need to blame drugs because he made the stupid decision one nite and took just a few to many pills and never woke up. i guess what im trying to say is just know what you are taking, research and know as much as posible about what any drug does to you, how much is too much, ect. because this information is available to you and it gives you the power to make a well informed thought out decision. oh yeah and dont be stupid.. yeah i know some people are born stupid :p j/k nah im for real and dont try to place blame where blame doesnt belong. you may or may not have control while u are on a drug but u have control over taking it or not.
peace and be safe
xox
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| Orbax |
hehe thats exactly what my friend who is addicted to coke says :) he blames my other friend for letting the coke control him. I think the blame needs to be taken off people. That like saying "you are messed up for letting something as simple as heroin control your endorphin functioning!". Some people are more biologically susceptible to it. It shouldnt be a judgement on how ed up it gets you. It should be judgin the fact that it s you up at all.
example:
Person 1: YOU KILLED ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE!!!
Person 2: Yeah, but I only killed him a little bit.
Person 1: Hes DEAD!
Person 2: Yeah, but I didnt cut off his arms and legs like that PSYCHO over there.
Person 1: The man is still dead though!
Person 2: Yeah, but my murder was so much cleaner. No pain for the victim.
Moral of the story: No matter how mutilated the corpse was, or peaceful the death, the person is still dead.
Moral tie in: Just because one person went nuts off a drug, and the other person handles it calmly, doesnt mean harm hasnt occurred.
or something.
im sure you see the point im getting at |
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| kr00t0n |
| quote: | | im sure you see the point im getting at |
*looks*
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*wipes glasses clean*
.....nope mate, still cant see it.
You see, you cant compare ecstacy and acid to coke and heroin...
I mean, COME ON!
Coke is physically addictive, and heroin moreso.
Neither E nor A are, they can be phsycologically addictive, but depends on the person's personality....
Sorry... bad comparison, so your quote holds no pull.
And comparing drug use.... to MURDER!?!?!?!
riiiiiiiiiiight.... they are SO similar :rolleyes: |
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