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| Sonic_c |
| Frost raven your a legend! Actually the reason i joined this forum was to ask about chords (usually end up gettin flamed though) and the reason I went to University is to learn theory but we ahve not got to that bit yet and no one has broke it down like this before. Im printing this and practising Thanks like a LOT! |
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| Jimb0b |
Talking about music, is like talking about paintings - you can get the idea, but it's not until you actually hear / see it that you fully apprecaite it.
What is the chance of some people posting audio clips to accompany some of the methods discussed.
It can sometimes be a bit much to take in just by reading, but when you actually hear it, things fall into place and you get more of an appreciation of what is being discussed, this is my own personal opinion anyway! :D |
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| Sonic_c |
Mate that is quality i am just at the stage in learning what all the chords are and why etc so the second bit of advice was perfect. I know ow that a chord prog needs to ultimately end on the 1st or the 5th etc so things like the dim chord are nice to resolve the story/bar ITS WICKED,
Oh and bump the thread dont let this baby go to waste! |
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| offensive_newbi |
But how should that diminished b chord be handled when using a natural minor? It might be able to give a nice uplifting feel after Am?
Personally I think that the foul harmonic minor is too sad for generic trance! |
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| Frost-RAVEN |
If you have a diminished chord it be best to resolve it. The simplest way I can explain resolving a diminished chord is by moving up a step. That assumes that say you're in the scale C major and you are on the diminished chord, B diminished. Well B diminished really wants to go to C major, and the better the voice leading the smoother it will sound.
In minor it's a little differern't. Say you are in Aminor, and you're B diminished. Well you could go to C major but it's gonna sound like you changed keys because the movement of diminished to up a step is a major diatonic sequence. Remember what I said earlier, the ii*(diminished 2) is a sub-dominated function chord and in this case B diminished is the ii* of A minor. So you'd want to go to a dominate function chord, and there is only one dominate function chord in minor, thats the V (even though it is naturally a minor chord diatonically, you're aloud to raise the 3rd of the chord to make it major). Then once on V you can move to i.
Once you understand where and what chords naturally pull to what other chords then you can start do do things like using pivot chords and secondary chords (you should be afraid of these, because that is high level ).
So, ask me a theory question I probably can answer it. |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
Ok I will share my knowledge.
There are 12 keys.
5 are black and 7 are white.
For some reason the black ones usually sound cooler
but you still need the white ones because you'll run out of
melodies too quickly.:stongue:
They all make different sounds, and theres really only 12 (despite what it may seem like on the keyboard with all the octaves)
If you are trying to find a melody, the best way is to start playing keys like you see professionals doing on MTVs music awards or w/e. Just keep hitting keys and walah!
You'll find something cool.
Memorize key and move on. Here sound in your head than continue to find keys as melody grows in your mind. This is my "i have no idea what 90% of the people in this thread are talking about" knowledge.
I can write a tutorial too if people like. I have other little stupid tricks that work, like whisteling tunes into melodyne and defining the pitch. :tongue2 |
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| Sonic_c |
Lol @ robby top post
Frost this is real sound of you to be doin this Im currently on a break from my uni music course over the holidays and my theory teacher said that I am lagging behing a little with the rest of the group because Im a producer everyone else on course is a musician guitar etc
Since ur second post I started like learning things by going from one chord to another but in like the way you said and its nice now im inverting things and stuff and its gettin more enjoyable writing again.
Ok so if just using standard 1 4 5 4 2 3 1 prog is boring how can we spice it up? These second chords tell me tell me!
Oh and I heard that some really moody sequences can be made using Ionian mode WTF IS THIS? |
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| Sonic_c |
ok I been doing my own research books and stuff and I can contribute something nice and easy!
Where chords can go!
I (Tonic) Can be followed by any chord
II (Supertonic) Can be followed by V,III,IV,VI, OR VII
III (Mediant) Can be followed by VI,IV,II,V
IV (Subdominant) Can be followed by V,I,VI,II,VII
V (Dominant) Can be followed by I,VI,III,VII
VI (Submediant) Can be followed by II,V,IV,III
VII (Seventh) Can be followed by I,VI,III,V
So as long as you know what I,II,III,IV,V,VI,VII Are in your scale you can use the above to experiment with where to go next!
This theory is really helpful sitting with the chart i just did at my keyboard everytime I was like "oh, wow, OMG didnt know that" |
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| offensive_newbi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sonic_c
Oh and I heard that some really moody sequences can be made using Ionian mode WTF IS THIS? |
Ionian mode is basically same as normal eh major key. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionian_mode
However according to some sources it isnt 100% same as normal major. I also would like to know whats the difference. :)
lol i understand this wasnt very helpful reply.
These musical modes are very interesting!
Many goa/psy trance pieces are using phygrian mode (all white keys starting from e). It may sound like traditional spanish bull fighter music. :)
Lydian mode (all white keys starting from f) is very beautiful and sounds blissfull and dreamy but is a bit hard to use (imho). You should listen some piano music music by erik satie.
Dorian mode (all white keys from d) sounds melancholic? That some scottish folk song called greensleeves or whatever? |
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| offensive_newbi |
| quote: | Originally posted by offensive_newbi
Ionian mode is basically same as normal eh major key. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionian_mode
However according to some sources it isnt 100% same as normal major. I also would like to know whats the difference. :)
lol i understand this wasnt very helpful reply.
These musical modes are very interesting!
Many goa/psy trance pieces are using phygrian mode (all white keys starting from e). It may sound like traditional spanish bull fighter music. :)
Lydian mode (all white keys starting from f) is very beautiful and sounds blissfull and dreamy but is a bit hard to use (imho). You should listen some piano music music by erik satie.
Dorian mode (all white keys from d) sounds melancholic? That some scottish folk song called greensleeves or whatever? |
Also I would like to warn you that all those chords and where they can go doesnt neccesarily apply to trance. :) |
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| Sonic_c |
| quote: | Originally posted by offensive_newbi
Also I would like to warn you that all those chords and where they can go doesnt neccesarily apply to trance. :) |
See i dont get that? I didnt think there was a trance music specific theory. I mean there must be trends and popular ways of doing things but surely I lifted these chord things from an academic theory book on harmony.
These must at least be harmonic? it says they are in the book! |
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