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James Joyce's "Ulysses" (pg. 3)
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| Teh Jim |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
ive read homer's version but resented being taught fairytales in ancient civilisations as some kind of historical importance. |
Yeah but gods with thunderbolts, sirens, witches and invincible men except for their heels are so much more badass than "we farmed some today".
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
You know, it's really hard to hear me saying that I don't like a specific author. But even the tertiary literature about her "philosophy" makes me cringe... |
For me, it was hayek. That cunt pissed me off no end! |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Teh Jim
Yeah but gods with thunderbolts, sirens, witches and invincible men except for their heels are so much more badass than "we farmed some today".
:P |
haha, which is why it should've been in literature, not history. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
For me, it was hayek. That cunt pissed me off no end! |
Really? What book did you read?
I'm looking forward to reading "Road to Serfdom", and from what I've read, his ideas seem really interesting :conf: |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
It gets worse, actually.
I must confess I like non-fiction better, and that's why I'm a lot more interested in this second list. While there are interesting people such as William James, John Maynard Keynes and Vladimir Nabokov on the Board's List Top 10, the readers picked Ayn Rand, L. Ron Hubbard and Leonard Peikoff :wtf: |
Yeah, I think it's a safe assumption that some objectivist board somewhere must have swarmed their voting.
That list is interesting if only because it was compiled by people in the literary business - authors and editors are obviously better judges than readers. :p |
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| RJT |
Man do I wish this thread hadn't popped up as I was heading to work. :p
Trying to actively post in a thread like this from a mobile just does not work. =\ |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stasis
Looks like a pretty good list (although as a side note, how does Hemingway not show up until 45?) That "Reader's List" on the right side of the page though, what is up with that??? |
Hemingway and Vonnegut are the two authors I've tried more than once and still shake my head. I don't get them apparently. I can write. In short sentences, too. Look. The hills are dark and blue. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
Man do I wish this thread hadn't popped up as I was heading to work. :p
Trying to actively post in a thread like this from a mobile just does not work. =\ |
I'm a night owl, but I don't know if I could ever get used to the third shift thing.
That said, I'm definitely experiencing that post-finals-I-didn't-sleep-for-two-days-and-suddenly-now-that-I'm-done-I'm-no-longer-tired thing. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
I'm actually reading Ulysses at the moment for my Modernism, Literature & The Arts module, so this thread seems very appropriate.
| quote: | Originally posted by R.j.
Barely 20 pages in, and it already is ing killing me!
Any tips, suggestions about approaching this book?
Has anyone round here read it? Should I read The Odyssey first? Anything?
Thanks. |
Get an annotated version. The more annotations and appendix sections the better. I have the Oxford World Classics version and it has everything you need to get a grip on what's happening. I've found with other Joyce novels (and a lot of modernist literature in general) that the first time through they're very intense, and it's only the second time through you can start to notice the nuances and enjoy the experience. That's what makes them such classics- there's so much depth they never get old to re-read.
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
I think I also take some issue with the notion that it seems Joyce was intentionally trying to alienate as many readers as possible, but perhaps even more issue with those who claim they "get" Ulysses.
I've yet to find any kind of consensus as to what it is they "get", which leads me to believe it's a lot of self-important speculation posited as understanding. |
Joyce on Ulysses:
"I've put in so many enigmas and puzzles that it will keep the professors busy for centuries arguing over what I meant, and that's the only way of ensuring one's immortality."
At the time, Ulysses was so impenetrable Joyce actually had to single-handedly create a critical framework for discussing his book- he gave lots of material to professors of literature so they could start giving talks and analyses of the book, essentially telling people what to look for to speed up the process. One of the things he did was draw up two "schemata" which explained the complex structure underpinning the novel, both in terms of its status as mythological analogue and also as a complex symbolic and thematic work. Usually with a novel, "getting" it is about figuring out the controlling idea from which you then place in context the rest of the novel. In Ulysses every chapter has a different controlling idea, and more than that it has three or four concurrent ideas that all interact.
I think it's fair to say that Ulysses is the greatest piece of literature ever written. It's not my personal favourite by any means but that's totally beside the point. There's more pure literature in a page of Ulysses than in most published novels. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Really? What book did you read?
I'm looking forward to reading "Road to Serfdom", and from what I've read, his ideas seem really interesting :conf: |
dont remember, hang on...nah, cant remember or find anything... maybe it was the fatal conceit?
basically, what i read was your usual far-right diatribe against welfare states, combined with the ludicrously utopian libertarianism that by this stage i was quite sick of. bloody libertarians. at least socialists realise they're living in a dreamworld. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Joyce on Ulysses:
"I've put in so many enigmas and puzzles that it will keep the professors busy for centuries arguing over what I meant, and that's the only way of ensuring one's immortality." |
pkc on joyce:
"tosser". |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
basically, what i read was your usual far-right diatribe against welfare states, combined with the ludicrously utopian libertarianism that by this stage i was quite sick of. bloody libertarians. at least socialists realise they're living in a dreamworld. |
From what I've read, I'd say that's a fair criticism. Still, I've seen some linguists make quite a few interesting analogies to his work within linguistic theory, reason why I want to read his work.
It's weird, though, that I've never met a student of economics here in Brazil that knew Hayek... even the exchange students I met didn't know him :wtf:
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
pkc on joyce:
"tosser". |
:stongue: |
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