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| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
For what it's worth, I think you're the one reading too much into this. The Times just reported what happened, and then why - and offered the inevitable connection that Howard happens to share the sentiments of all evil Aussies by hating Obama because he's black.
And Sidwell Friends is serious business... they might miss a cursive lesson or something - my sister had the chicken pox during those lessons and she still can't sign her name properly! And asking her to copy in cursive on legal documents "I certify that I" blah blah blah? It's horrible to watch her start letters at the tail. |
It's not what the times reported, it's what they didn't report to give the story a certain slant, as usual. that paper is garbage.
You should see my handwriting... pure chicken scratch. In my formative years of learning to read and write up until the age of 8, I went to a Catholic school in ultra liberal Massachusetts. I must say, my skills were on point. I only realized this after I moved to Florida and went to public school, and noticed how far behind me those kids were. They were teaching us some stupid version of cursive called "Denelian" which totally screwed me up, as my handwriting style is a stupid hybrid between print and cursive now. Thank god for typing. |
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| Fledz |
| Ahahahahha, this is ing awesome :haha: |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| i think if you take a country to war against majority opinion you should be rewarded with the nice accommodation. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
i think if you take a country to war against majority opinion you should be rewarded with the nice accommodation. |
Yeah, John Howard was the true originator of the war in Iraq! Poor Bush didn't stand a chance with Howard whispering in his ear.
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
In howard's defence, he's like a million times smarter than bush.
Very happy to see both of them gone however! |
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| Domesticated |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
In howard's defence, he's like a million times smarter than bush.
Very happy to see both of them gone however! |
...and here I thought I respected you.
John Howard is the best prime minister Australia has ever had. His record of five terms proves that. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Domesticated
...and here I thought I respected you.
John Howard is the best prime minister Australia has ever had. His record of five terms proves that. |
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Yeah, I caught your attempted blowjob for johnny the other day in some thread, but I thought I would let it slide.
John howard is the country's best PM only if you were born around the time he was sworn in ;) there is nothing particularly spectacular about his prime ministership, other than he managed to divide and conquer the populace long enough to secure 4 terms.
If you want to look at a PM that really revolutionised australia, bringing her into the 21st century, it was paul keating. |
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| Domesticated |
It was four terms? I stand corrected. He's still the most successful prime minister ever.
As much as I love arguing (and everyone knows I do), there's absolutely no way I'm getting into this one, because there will be no resolution, and neither side will be willing to make any admissions whatsoever. This is always the way with liberal vs labor discussions. Let it just be said that you're a working class pleb and I'm a white collar, big business-loving, John Howard dick sucker. Ta ta! |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by Domesticated
As much as I love arguing (and everyone knows I do) |
I didn't know that. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Domesticated
It was four terms? I stand corrected. He's still the most successful prime minister ever.
As much as I love arguing (and everyone knows I do), there's absolutely no way I'm getting into this one, because there will be no resolution, and neither side will be willing to make any admissions whatsoever. This is always the way with liberal vs labor discussions. Let it just be said that you're a working class pleb and I'm a white collar, big business-loving, John Howard dick sucker. Ta ta! |
Well, look at it objectively. What were the major achievements of the howard years?
GST. Union-smashing. Outrageous IR laws. Reigned in government spending.
Keating:
Floated the dollar. Created the superannuation scheme. Held wage growth thru the accord. De-regulated the financial and banking sectors.
The reason why australia is in such a good condition is because of the radical economically conservative revolution instituted by keating. Australia was a third-world of banking and finance before 1983.
I suggest you read this:
before you so quickly give all your love for the golden howard years to howard. |
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| Domesticated |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
Well, look at it objectively. What were the major achievements of the howard years?
GST. Union-smashing. Outrageous IR laws. Reigned in government spending.
Keating:
Floated the dollar. Created the superannuation scheme. Held wage growth thru the accord. De-regulated the financial and banking sectors.
The reason why australia is in such a good condition is because of the radical economically conservative revolution instituted by keating. Australia was a third-world of banking and finance before 1983.
I suggest you read this:
before you so quickly give all your love for the golden howard years to howard. |
Ah, .
I said I wasn't going to get into this, but here goes:
GST - You and every other man in Australia hates this, as the public it as an "additional" tax, stripping them of yet more money that was rightfully theirs. This is not the case at all. Many items and services were taxed at high rates like 20%, while others were low, like 5%. All GST has done is even those rates out to make taxation flow smoothly. As a result this has reduced thousands of hours of paperwork for businesses of all sizes, increasing their viability, and reduced spending and red tape for the taxation department itself, saving the government money.
Union-smashing - This was NECESSARY. I will not go into it here, but I assure you, I have first hand and soul destroying evidence of the tyranny of the unions in the '90s- multiple, multiple cases. If I ever meet you in real life I could give you a two hour run-down of my experiences in this matter. The CFMEU was run by a bunch of lazy, power hungry men out to exert their will on big business to account for their own failings in life. A curbing of their power was needed.
"outrageous" IR laws - Again, necessary. With workers vs big business, you walk a very fine line. There are good guys and bad guys on both sides that will try and screw one another. Prior to Howard's IR reforms, that power balance was grossly in favour of the workers. The IR reforms restored the balance to some degree. Personally, I think it's nigh on impossible to get the correct balance, but currently it's pretty good and hard to say who is in favour now. Note that at the time of the IR reforms, which everyone saw as a huge negative for the workers, my parents were forced to pay their sixty-odd staff an extra $2 an hour, despite already paying a very generous rate. This cost them around $20,000 a year.
Reigned in government spending - This was necessary after the splurging of the previous government, which was deep in debt. I find this comment funny when, further down, you have commended Keatingt on his "radical economically conservative" attitude, which, in layman's terms, means "decreased spending"; the very same thing which you criticised Howard for. I don't know where you got this from anyway, the Keating government spent truckloads.
The floating of the Australian dollar is very admirable, however this is something that any Prime Minister at the time would have done, just as any Prime Minister now is forced to invest in Internet infrastructure.
The superannuation scheme is very commendable; I'd say that this is Keating's greatest contribution to Australia and will save the country from collapsing in the next century.
"Held wage growth through the accord" - I like that, very funny. That's a diplomatic way of saying, "he upheld the country through the depression". A DEPRESSION THAT HIS GOVERNMENT CAUSED, and which garnished the now immortalised quote "blah blah blah...the recession we had to have". No Keating, we didn't have to have a recession.
Like any seasoned debater, you conveniently "forgot" to mention the negative points about Keating's term, but I suppose you'll insist that there were none? |
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