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Golf club, employees and directors charged over crash that killed 3
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| teufel-man |
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Golf club, employees and directors charged over crash that killed 3
TheStar.com - Ontario - Golf club, employees and directors charged over crash that killed 3
BRACEBRIDGE – Ontario Provincial Police in Bracebridge have laid 34 charges under the Liquor License Act in connection with an accident last summer in which three young men were killed.
Tyler Mulcahy, 20, Cory Mintz, 20, and Kourosh Totonchian, 19, all from Toronto, left the Lake Joseph Club in Port Carling shortly before their vehicle left the road and crashed into the Joseph River.
A fourth person was was injured but escaped with her life.
That the group had been at the Lake Joseph Club before the crash which raised questions about the obligations of establishments that serve alcohol.
The crash happened July 3, 2008, on Peninsula Road near Minett.
Clublink Corp. of King City is charged with permitting drunkenness on a licensed premises and supplying liquor to apparently intoxicated persons.
The following individuals - employees or club directors - were also charged: Murray Blair of Muskoka Lakes, Patrick Brigham of Toronto, Paul David Campbell of Muskoka Lakes, Egidio Caravaggio of Muskoka Lakes, Ian Colterjohn, 22, of Toronto, Scott Davidson of Muskoka Lakes, James Flegg, 21, of Oakville, Charles Lorimar, 52, of King City, Jim Molenhuis of Muskoka Lakes, Walter Moon, 34, of Gravenhurst, Neil Osborne of Muskoka Lakes, Kuldip Sahi of Muskoka Lakes, Bruce Simmonds of Muskoka Lakes, Donald Turple of Muskoka Lakes, Robert Visentin of Muskoka Lakes, and Jack Winberg of Muskoka Lakes.
They are to appear in Bracebridge court on Jan. 27.
The investigation was undertaken by the the OPP with the assistance of the Alcohol and Gaming Commission of Ontario.
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Personally, I think this is bull.
Some rich kids drive their dad's Audi up to their Muskoka cottage, drink a bit too much during lunch and crash the car and its the restaurant's fault?
Isn't the whole point of having a drinking age so we only serve drinks to those who should be old enough to make responsible decisions, such as whether or not they should drink and drive?
If I am going to a bar and driving my own car there, I know how much I can drink before it is unsafe to drive, I don't need the restaurant to babysit me like I am 8 years old!
The only way this can be justified is if the restaurant served these kids like 9 beers each... because that would be irresponsible of them, however, I doubt this is the case. And it seems as if they are charging every single person who works at that restaurant, which is also ridiculous.
EDIT: The only reason this is happening is because the upperclassish dad of the driver is making a big stink about it. Going on TV and saying 'OMG I can't believe they served my son some beer at lunch', when he should be saying 'maybe my son shouldn't have been drinking and driving'. |
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| ÖZmözis |
We were just talking about this at work.
My boss's daughters friends work there or something like that.
The bar responsible for how much they serve. They served them over around 35 drinks total. However, its hard to keep a track of how much your serving each person because other can buy it for you. The kids told them they were getting picked up but they lied and drove instead. |
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| teufel-man |
| quote: | Originally posted by ÖZmözis
The bar responsible for how much they serve. They served them over around 35 drinks total. However, its hard to keep a track of how much your serving each person because other can buy it for you. The kids told them they were getting picked up but they lied and drove instead. |
Alright well 35 is definitely a lot. If they specifically lied about driving obviously they fully intended to drink and drive. The kids made a stupid decision and paid for it in the ultimate way.... I feel terrible for them but its not right to try to shift the blame around to others when these kids (who are actually adults) made the decision to drink and drive. |
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| ÖZmözis |
| quote: | Originally posted by teufel-man
Alright well 35 is definitely a lot. If they specifically lied about driving obviously they fully intended to drink and drive. The kids made a stupid decision and paid for it in the ultimate way.... I feel terrible for them but its not right to try to shift the blame around to others when these kids (who are actually adults) made the decision to drink and drive. |
No argument there... |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| any establishment that serves alcohol has a duty of care to not serve alcohol to someone who is intoxicated. The kids would still be alive if the golf club stopped serving them. I have handled several insurance claims along this line and in each one the establishment was held partially liable. |
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| Pett |
| what i don't get is that they're charging 16 people with this. How does that make any sense. |
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| Jayx1 |
because 16 people forced alcohol into them and then demanded they drive at gunpoint?
If i were one of those 16 people charged with such bull id leave the country and surrender my citizenship.
This place is ridiculous |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pett
what i don't get is that they're charging 16 people with this. How does that make any sense. |
in any lawsuit they are going to name as many parties as possible. In this case they are probably employees, directors and owners of the club. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
because 16 people forced alcohol into them and then demanded they drive at gunpoint? |
Sure, you scoff today, but next time you're bound, gagged, funneled 35 bottles of Bud Light, and subsequently forced to drive to Las Vegas at gunpoint, you'll be thanking your lucky stars that our legal system has you taken care of! |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by teufel-man
Isn't the whole point of having a drinking age so we only serve drinks to those who should be old enough to make responsible decisions, such as whether or not they should drink and drive?
If I am going to a bar and driving my own car there, I know how much I can drink before it is unsafe to drive, I don't need the restaurant to babysit me like I am 8 years old!
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Time and time again, it has been shown that people drink and drive - people of all ages.
I do believe the establishment should be partly responsible for people who leave and cause bodily harm from behind the wheel but in this specific case I'm not sure the law is being applied appropriately. |
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The establishment has a legal responsibility to not serve people who are intoxicated, and the company defintely needs to be held accountable.. which they are through these charges.
That being said, charging all the staff is pretty whack. There's no way all of those people were involved in serving their drinks. |
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| teufel-man |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
Time and time again, it has been shown that people drink and drive - people of all ages.
I do believe the establishment should be partly responsible for people who leave and cause bodily harm from behind the wheel but in this specific case I'm not sure the law is being applied appropriately. |
People of all ages do drink and drive, but I believe adults should be held responsible for their actions. Yes the bar should be held partially responsible but I think it depends on the specific circumstance. If these kids told the bartender they were getting picked up, who is the bar to interrupt their nice summer afternoon of drinking, assuming it doesn't go overboard to the point that they are getting out of control. Obviously if you see a kid stumble or they are slurring or something then that a sign to stop, but if they are just casually ordering drinks over a few hours then who is the bar to say they are too drunk. In this case though, I must say 35 drinks is quite a bit... |
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