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Golf club, employees and directors charged over crash that killed 3 (pg. 2)
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| teufel-man |
| quote: | Originally posted by activate
The establishment has a legal responsibility to not serve people who are intoxicated
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What does 'intoxicated' mean exactly in this context? I bet there isn't a bar in the entire world that can go a whole night without serving someone who is 'intoxicated'.
There really is no way to tell if someone is too intoxicated unless they are totally hammered, like if they are slurring or stumbling. I could probably down 10 beers and still appear to be fine while ordering a drink at a bar, but would obviously be way too ed up to drive. The only way to enforce the 'dont serve intoxicated people' rule would be to give a breathalizer to everyone who approaches the bar, which is obviously unrealistic.
I really think this 'dont serve intoxicated people' rule can only apply to extreme circumstances where the bar knows someone is ed and keeps serving them drinks and then lets them leave the bar unaccompanied. |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by teufel-man
People of all ages do drink and drive, but I believe adults should be held responsible for their actions. |
oook...well, the "adults" in this situation happen to be the people that are dead. |
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| teufel-man |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
oook...well, the "adults" in this situation happen to be the people that are dead. |
So that means we automatically have to shift the blame to a living person since the ones who are actually responsible are dead? |
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| activate |
| quote: | Originally posted by teufel-man
What does 'intoxicated' mean exactly in this context? I bet there isn't a bar in the entire world that can go a whole night without serving someone who is 'intoxicated'.
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very true, but it IS the law, and it is mandatory that license holders follow it. It is also taught as part of the smart serve traning that all servers and bartenders are supposed to have if they serve alcohol.
info on how to judge whether someone is intoxicated can be easily found on the AGCO website. http://www.agco.on.ca/pdf/Non-Forms/3057E.pdf
They also provide this info to license holders and i'm told they also send regular email updates as well as through the mail |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by teufel-man
What does 'intoxicated' mean exactly in this context? I bet there isn't a bar in the entire world that can go a whole night without serving someone who is 'intoxicated'. |
That is exactly what I was thinking.
I personally think this sort of law needs to be rebuked. |
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| Yohan |
| typical canadian attitude. blame anyone BUT the real person responsible :rolleyes: |
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| teufel-man |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
typical canadian attitude. blame anyone BUT the real person responsible :rolleyes: |
Yeah everyone is making it look like 'oh these poor little kids were allowed to get drunk at a bar and then allowed to drive' and its all the evil golf clubs fault. Why has no one said: these kids made an irresponsible decision and paid for it.
I think their age plays a big factor too. No one would be saying anything if the same thing happened and it were a group of 40 year old men instead. The media/police are acting like these kids were 12 years old and unable to make decisions on their own. |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by teufel-man
Yeah everyone is making it look like 'oh these poor little kids were allowed to get drunk at a bar and then allowed to drive' and its all the evil golf clubs fault. Why has no one said: these kids made an irresponsible decision and paid for it.
I think their age plays a big factor too. No one would be saying anything if the same thing happened and it were a group of 40 year old men instead. The media/police are acting like these kids were 12 years old and unable to make decisions on their own. |
It is almost always the parents who don't want to believe their kids were little idiots because of the way they were raised. Same thing happened recently, then the father lobbied the gov for stiffer driving conditions for teens.
Nobody, but the drivers and passengers should be responsible. |
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| English Rachel |
| quote: | Originally posted by activate
very true, but it IS the law, and it is mandatory that license holders follow it. It is also taught as part of the smart serve traning that all servers and bartenders are supposed to have if they serve alcohol.
info on how to judge whether someone is intoxicated can be easily found on the AGCO website. http://www.agco.on.ca/pdf/Non-Forms/3057E.pdf
They also provide this info to license holders and i'm told they also send regular email updates as well as through the mail |
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What he said. |
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| She_Fitz |
| quote: | Originally posted by teufel-man
EDIT: The only reason this is happening is because the upperclassish dad of the driver is making a big stink about it. Going on TV and saying 'OMG I can't believe they served my son some beer at lunch', when he should be saying 'maybe my son shouldn't have been drinking and driving'. |
I believe this is the same Dad that has been pushing for a change to the new driver rules.
I think there needs to be a balance of blame...
The establishment knows the rules to have a license to serve booze and the Dad should really buck up and realize that some of this does fall on the shoulders of those involved.
They all broke the law and changing making the current laws stricter likely would not have deterred this from happening. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by teufel-man
Yeah everyone is making it look like 'oh these poor little kids were allowed to get drunk at a bar and then allowed to drive' and its all the evil golf clubs fault. Why has no one said: these kids made an irresponsible decision and paid for it.
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I don't think anyone is saying that. Any establishment that serves alcohol has laws they must obey. If they fail to obey these laws then they will be held accountable. |
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| activate |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
I don't think anyone is saying that. Any establishment that serves alcohol has laws they must obey. If they fail to obey these laws then they will be held accountable. |
and it's not like the charges the country club and employees are facing are criminal charges.
Realistically, the worst thing the business faces is a license suspension and a fine, and the worst thing facing the employees is a fine. |
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