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| samochod |
| quote: | Originally posted by Noisician
you can master it with some effort. you just need lots of practice and some memorization sessions.
also, you should be able to differentiate between the grammatical cases. it's very important for any language with a well-developed inflectional system. |
I'm just saying if I get too frustrated I'll give up, so I'm going to keep working at the tutorials and come back to the grammar again once I've absorbed more of the language.
Its kind of a hobby of mine. There's this polish girl who I like who speaks ok English so I thought I'd impress her. I guess I under estimated the depth of my 'project'. :stongue: |
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| stren |
| all your patterns are belong to us |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by samochod
I'm just saying if I get too frustrated I'll give up, so I'm going to keep working at the tutorials and come back to the grammar again once I've absorbed more of the language.
Its kind of a hobby of mine. There's this polish girl who I like who speaks ok English so I thought I'd impress her. I guess I under estimated the depth of my 'project'. :stongue: |
Foreign girls: making nerdy guys multilingual since the Stone Age :D
10 years ago, I studied Russian because of a hot Russian girl I met at the gym. It was an eye-opening experience, as it was the most "different" language I had ever studied (then it was all downhill from there, and decided to get into some nastier stuff, such as Japanese). Polish and Russian are related languages*, and maybe I can give you some less technical tips (since Noisician already introduced you to the good stuff :)):
- Is this the first foreign language you're studying? You'll soon realise that there are different ways of describing the same situation. I was used to indicate possession uttering something like "Owner + verb (to have) + Owned Object", because that's how it works in every single language I had studied before Russian. Then, when I learnt that "I've got a book" in Russian is literally "By me, there's a book" I had to accept that fact that having an object by you, and holding it, are two good ways to indicate you've got it. So, focus on patterns, not words. A language is not a big basket with funny sounding words, but a game you play with these words.
- Make analogies galore. Sure, irregularities abound, and what sounds logical to you may not make any sense to other people, but it makes the whole process a lot less painful. Also, don't try to always interpret the logic behind it, even though that helps. For example: you said nouns that end with an -a in Spanish are feminine, right? Well, not all of them. For some reason, those bastards in the Iberian peninsula thought it would be lot more interesting if nouns ending in -ema were considered masculine instead. So, it's "la cama", but "el problema". What can you do? Well, next time you see a noun that ends with -ema, expect it to be masculine even though it ends with an -a. Notice that this doesn't belong to any particular category (i.e. it's not something that only happens to nouns that refer to theoretical entities)... so you can't always rely on the meaning to make generalisation.
- Once you master the basics of the language, go impress that girl. Practise as much as you can! Don't worry, you will sound retarded to her, but that's charming for some reason. I, for example, spent 6 months mispronouncing the Russian "bI" (that sounds like the Polish "y"). Everyone thought it was hella cute, and I didn't understand why until I read a description of what the sounds of the language were supposed to be like.
Anyway, remember that Russian girl I mentioned above? I didn't get a chance to make out with her, but I definitely got luckier with many of her friends that happened to be just as hot.
Now go work on your Polish, and give your pole a chance to be a little happier :D
* Now, Noisician and Stren, how well can you understand Polish and Russian, respectively? I speak some elementary Russian (Noisician probably remembers how awful my Russian is :p) and, for some reason, out of all Slavic languages I've ever seen, Czech and Polish are the ones I understand the least. Are they really that different from the rest? I seem to find Croatian and Slovenian a lot easier to understand, for example :conf: |
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| stren |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
* Now, Noisician and Stren, how well can you understand Polish and Russian, respectively? I speak some elementary Russian (Noisician probably remembers how awful my Russian is :p) and, for some reason, out of all Slavic languages I've ever seen, Czech and Polish are the ones I understand the least. Are they really that different from the rest? I seem to find Croatian and Slovenian a lot easier to understand, for example :conf: |
Don't understand Russian for . I mean, I do know some words, and some words do sound like polish words, but that's about it.
As for similarities , the Slovakian is probably the most similar, Czech being second ( some funny words in those languages sound like polish ones but with different meaning ) |
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| samochod |
In Soviet Poland, headache gives me Polish. :stongue:
Lira, your Russian story gives me hope. :crazy: |
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| Noisician |
polish grammar is very similar to russian. except polish has 7 grammatical cases against russian's 6 (and locative has been replaced by prepositional case in russian). at the same time, the declensional system is more advanced in polish in that it further divides its noun classes into opposing subclasses. the sound inventory is also quite different. them damn polacs have 3 affricate pairs in their tongue ( c / dz, ć / dź, cz / dż ) that sound awfully similar to a russian speaker. and each contrasts with the corresponding consonant cluster (e.g. dz vs. d͡z ) at the phonemic level, which makes things even more confusing.
also, the polish lexicon is radically different from its russian counterpart. it is disproportionally harder to understand than ukrainian, belarusian or even bulgarian. |
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| dj_alfi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Noisician
Polish is a highly infected language |
:wtf:
on a related side note; im going to poland in march yaaay :D
do i have to bring extra shoes? i keep reading about these polish turds and i'm afraid i might step in one of them :( |
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| Ania_xox |
Yes you are looking at the Odessey of "the cases"
7 deadly grammatical cases
Polish is my first language and I still sometimes up a word in a certain case if it is not a word I often use.
It is very difficult to learn it by studying patterns because you would have to group nouns with common endings to learn the way their endings change in various cases.
i.e. "chlopiec" "lipiec" "czerwiec" "taniec"
or "ksiazka" "lazenka" "latarka" "klamerka"
but if you ever wanted to describe any of the nouns, you have to memorize how to use adjectives in each corresponding case
The best way to learn (obviously) is to be immersed in it enough so that things just start to sound right/wrong and you feel the language.
Anyhow... good effort :) |
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| stren |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_alfi
:wtf:
on a related side note; im going to poland in march yaaay :D
do i have to bring extra shoes? i keep reading about these polish turds and i'm afraid i might step in one of them :( |
where in poland ? there are some turd places you should avoid |
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| dj_alfi |
| i think the place was called chórzow or something.. it was in silesia.. are there alot of polish turds there? |
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| stren |
| Chorzów. Yes, definately a turd town, very industrial, durty and slum. The only good thing about Chorzów, is the national stadium, where a lot of national team's matches are played, and a lot of big concerts (u2, Metallica, Rolling Stones etc. ) |
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| dj_alfi |
| quote: | Originally posted by stren
Chorzów. Yes, definately a turd town, very industrial, durty and slum. The only good thing about Chorzów, is the national stadium, where a lot of national team's matches are played, and a lot of big concerts (u2, Metallica, Rolling Stones etc. ) |
i think that might be where im playing :D
or somewhere else.. it some sort of festival, im not really sure.. gig overseas is gig overseas. |
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