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Rising cost of synthesisers and gear (pg. 2)
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| Storyteller |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Really? How do you know dance producers dont use hardware? Because of all the fruity loops, reason, ableton producers here? Majority of my favorite producers use hardware. |
It's just common sense. There are a lot of dance music enthusiasts out there which are reluctant to pay anything for what they need to make music. They download, but don't rob stores just as much. ;)
The fact that the majority of your favorite producers use hardware doesn't prove anything. Those are just a couple of people amongst thousands. |
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| cryophonik |
| Guys - does it really matter what other people use? Why not just use what you like and let others use what they like? |
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| dj_alfi |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
Guys - does it really matter what other people use? Why not just use what you like and let others use what they like? |
yes it does! tiesto and deadmau5 have hardware, and if i can get hardware too i'll be just like them! my logic is flawless, so just stfu with your poor mans attitude, thinking you are as good as rich people! |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_alfi
my logic is flawless, so just stfu with your poor mans attitude, thinking you are as good as rich people! |
Uh...yeah. Sorry I made you cry. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_alfi
yes it does! tiesto and deadmau5 have hardware, and if i can get hardware too i'll be just like them! my logic is flawless, so just stfu with your poor mans attitude, thinking you are as good as rich people! |
Why so serious? :sadgreen:
Cheer up tiger, i'll buy you some ice creme if I ever run into you somewhere :tongue2 |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Storyteller
It's just common sense. There are a lot of dance music enthusiasts out there which are reluctant to pay anything for what they need to make music. They download, but don't rob stores just as much. ;)
The fact that the majority of your favorite producers use hardware doesn't prove anything. Those are just a couple of people amongst thousands. |
And that couple out of the thousands actually have an impact on the sound of genres they make music for. They're the ones getting their music signed consistently and putting out high quality sounding music. So yah, dance music has a big impact on the rise in interest for older analogue synths. Even VSTi's like Arturia's stuff that emulate vintage synths by Roland, Moog, Yamaha are heavily used in dance music have driven the interest higher as well. We can go into dance music influencing modern hip hop as well, and of course the dance tinged indie rock. |
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| Subtle |
I have a Moog, and i can tell you that basslines are still equally hard to make.
Although, the potential might be higher. |
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| Storyteller |
| quote: | Originally posted by pwnage1
Most people involved with dance music don't use much hardware, and when they do nearly never vintage synths. But yes i agree a lot more music seems to be using synths these days. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Really? How do you know dance producers dont use hardware? Because of all the fruity loops, reason, ableton producers here? Majority of my favorite producers use hardware. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Storyteller
It's just common sense. There are a lot of dance music enthusiasts out there which are reluctant to pay anything for what they need to make music. They download, but don't rob stores just as much. ;)
The fact that the majority of your favorite producers use hardware doesn't prove anything. Those are just a couple of people amongst thousands. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
And that couple out of the thousands actually have an impact on the sound of genres they make music for. They're the ones getting their music signed consistently and putting out high quality sounding music. So yah, dance music has a big impact on the rise in interest for older analogue synths. Even VSTi's like Arturia's stuff that emulate vintage synths by Roland, Moog, Yamaha are heavily used in dance music have driven the interest higher as well. We can go into dance music influencing modern hip hop as well, and of course the dance tinged indie rock. |
It's annoying how you try to prove different points each post to make sure you have at least one thing right. First it's about how many producers actually have hardware synths. You indirectly claim most producers have hardware. I disagree. Then you reply by saying well known producers have impact on the amount of hardware used by fellow producers?! `The impact of known producers on the use of hardware in music production` was never the actual question being debated in those couple of quotes so how could this be relevant? While it might be true it's an argument that does not hold up as we where talking about the amount of dance artists that use hardware, not the impact of known producers on the use of hardware. And after saying that you say:
| quote: | | So yah, dance music has a big impact on the rise in interest for older analogue synths. |
to prove you where right all along while that wasn't even the subject. Some posts make it seem like you've got quite a lot of knowledge on the subject but there's an equal amount that tells me you don't or that you are incredibly naive. That or you don't know how to get your point across properly. It's hard for me to actually interpret the quality and seriousness of your posts as some of it just doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever while others seem to be quite accurate (imo).
/rant
I'll stop reading this thread. I have a feeling this would otherwise end up in an even longer (stupid and) offtopic conversation about details no one really cares about. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Storyteller
It's annoying how you try to prove different points each post to make sure you have at least one thing right. First it's about how many producers actually have hardware synths. You indirectly claim most producers have hardware. I disagree. Then you reply by saying well known producers have impact on the amount of hardware used by fellow producers?! `The impact of known producers on the use of hardware in music production` was never the actual question being debated in those couple of quotes so how could this be relevant? While it might be true it's an argument that does not hold up as we where talking about the amount of dance artists that use hardware, not the impact of known producers on the use of hardware. And after saying that you say:
to prove you where right all along while that wasn't even the subject. Some posts make it seem like you've got quite a lot of knowledge on the subject but there's an equal amount that tells me you don't or that you are incredibly naive. That or you don't know how to get your point across properly. It's hard for me to actually interpret the quality and seriousness of your posts as some of it just doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever while others seem to be quite accurate (imo).
/rant
I'll stop reading this thread. I have a feeling this would otherwise end up in an even longer (stupid and) offtopic conversation about details no one really cares about. |
Honestly, your post I was replying was pointless to the discussion. Not to mention pwnage1 threw out something baseless, that I questioned, that you came in to defend. The fact that thousands of bedroom producers dont use hardware has no bearing on any of the discussion because they aren't the ones primarily influencing the interest, especially if 95% aren't even putting out music. No one sees some bedroom producer doing a liveshow with his virtual synths like they see a Ladytron or a Trentemoller working the MS-20 for hundreds of thousands of worshipping fans every year,hopeful garage bands, and producers that go to their shows.
But, I did qualify the influence of softsynth dance music producers, by noting that softsynths like Korg Legacy Collection and Arturia's emulations of vintage synths used by bedroom producers are also fueling interest of the real vintage synths they emulate. So the point is, and its very clear, that actual Hardware users spearhead the growth in interest for Vintage Analogue synths because their influence actually reaches the masses, and bedroom producers also help the interest through softsynth emulations of the actual vintage synths. Now your mad because im right on both accounts. :D |
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| cronodevir |
People listen to Tiesto and this deadmau5 guy?
I guess some people love cheeze. :P I usualy prefer turkey loaf myself.
Mosts artists use software, why? Because its easy to download. |
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| Beyer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Really? How do you know dance producers dont use hardware? Because of all the fruity loops, reason, ableton producers here? Majority of my favorite producers use hardware. |
Those old vintage keyboards are getting harder and harder to get hold of.
That must be the main reason the prices are up.
Anyway, dance artists are not the reason why people lust after those old boards.
I think the main reason is that people are amazed at their sound, and just how much
better they sound than those modern synths. People who have owned one in the past,
want to get one now that the price is "sensible", and they can afford them.
I certainly would sell a kidney for a 100% perfect cs80.
:) :crazy: |
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| cronodevir |
| Have you tried the CS80 synth counterpart? |
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