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Rising cost of synthesisers and gear (pg. 3)
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| cronodevir |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
Guys - does it really matter what other people use? Why not just use what you like and let others use what they like? |
Because to make good trance music, you have to use the same hardware and software as the pros..then it just magicly happens..you didn't know that? |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
Maybe if people spend more time learning how to use what they have instead of worrying about what everybody else is using, they'll figure out how to get some sounds that satisfy them?
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| cronodevir |
Most people judge a program beased on its presets. Personally, I delete them if I can before I even hear what the synth offers. Its the best way to get an ubiased assessment of the peice of hardware/software. When you mess with it using your own skills. Not the skills of someone who professinally makes presets for a living.
This may sound harsh, but I think presets contribute to the pretty much DOOM that electronic music is going through. |
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| Storyteller |
Honestly I don't know what you're talking about. Even though trance has been doing the same trick over and over since 2000 I can honestly say that era has passed. The last couple of yrs (imo more or less 2) a vast amount of upcoming producers have made name for themselves (Deadmau5, Leon Bolier, Paul Keeley, Eelke Kleijn to name a few). Music over these past 2 years has become more interesting every day, problem is that it's rather hard to find out about it.
Of course it's my opinion though. |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
Most people judge a program beased on its presets. Personally, I delete them if I can before I even hear what the synth offers. |
From another thread:
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
Actually..I do have a question.
Your z3ta looks vastly different than mine... Maby I should upgrade?
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A:000 organish pad (mw)???? That looks like a Z3TA+preset to me. Busted! :whip: :D
And, the FLS channel settings is a dead giveaway that you didn't just find this image on the web. |
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| cronodevir |
Dunno how to delete z3ta presets... :p Ok I don't delete the presets always, but I was simply making a point about how its important to test a synth using your own skills rather than what professinals made. My synth1 and FM8 have no presets.
Also, I was not trying to imply I got the img from the web, this is a cropped image of the one I posted in "post your studios" thread. |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
Also, I was not trying to imply I got the img from the web... |
That was a pre-emptive strike on my behalf.
Anyway, I'm just hassling you (to avoid actually doing some work). :cool: |
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| emc^2 |
Damn you monkeys for throwing a monkey wrench in my latest anguish fit. I sat there totally pi$$ed off last weekend at making virtually nothing happen in my studio because of all the gear I have amassed. I spend all the time wiring, re-wiring, moving crap around, troubleshooting and not actually manking any music because I have too much gear (chronic sufferer of G.A.S. - gear aquisition syndrome).
I sat down and calculatd that I have 22k worth of crap with about 10% of it being used on the average. I personally cannot often tell the difference between a track made with a hardware synth or it's software counterpart. Perhaps I'm still a n00b but when I listen to an increasing number of productions that come out from producers that use soft synths and sound quality, I have to sit and wonder how much actual difference owning the hardware actually makes?
Sure it's great to have tangible piece of gear you can play with but I think that for sheer point of translating idea into sound, you can't beat flexibilty and comfort of doing something within computer realm. I cannot even begin to tell you of all the various nightmare scenarios I've been through over the years of dealing with MIDI routing, signal routing, patching, etc. Some love it and some are turned off by it.
If you look at artists like DJ Shah, Airbase, Yahel, Sander van Doorn, and act like Prodigy - they get their work done in software realm and achieve substantial success. Liam Howlett of prodigy did an interview in some mag a while ago, bemoaning the downsides of owning gear and how he stripped down to software only to produce an entire album, using hardware very sparsely only to master and add some finishing touches to the already completed work.
I am personally finding myself less frustrated working on a laptop with virtual environment instead of spending an entire day figuring out where my MIDI problems come from. YMMV, of course.
This age-old debate will linger on for years, I'm sure... but if you look at something like Virus Ti, where inspite of it being a hardware synth it's prone to all the buginess of software - does it really warrant such an investment, considering how poorly executed it is?
Vintage synths is another two-sided dillema: I owned two Jupiter-8's - both were great... while they were operational. When they broke it was like taking a pet to the vet - expensive and results are not guaranteed.
Coming back to my initial statement - I'm now sitting there pondering how much of my gear do I really wanna dump?
here's my brief list:
Virus TI Polar
Virus C
2 x Oberheim Matrix 1000
Korg EX 8000 with MEX 8000 memory expander
Nord Lead 1 kbd
Nord Lead 3 rack
E-Mu PX-7 fully expanded
Roland Fantom XR
Dave Smith Instruments Evolver kbd
Yamaha AN1x
Roland MC09
Roland RS09
Roland Juno 106
Mackie HR634
ADAM P11a monitors
TC Electronic Fireworx
Line 6 echo pro
Yamaha 01v96 v2 mixer with 16ch ADAT card
Lenovo T61P laptop with Core 2 Duo 2.4 Ghz CPU, 128 MB Nvidia, 4GB RAM, 2x320GB SATA 7200 RPM drives, XP Pro, Ableton Live 7, Cubase 3, Sonar 9, various vstis
Dell XPS Gen 4 - P4 3.4GHz HT, 4GB RAM, 10K rpm Raptor SATA drive, 256 MB Radeon 850GT, XP, same software pack as above
Various MIDI and recording interfaces... |
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| alanzo |
| I don't like the idea of vintage gear because it breaks very easily. Things can get especially complicated with pre-MIDI gear (such as the Jupiter 6/8). But I have 0 complications using my modern analog synths. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by emc^2
Damn you monkeys for throwing a monkey wrench in my latest anguish fit. I sat there totally pi$$ed off last weekend at making virtually nothing happen in my studio because of all the gear I have amassed. I spend all the time wiring, re-wiring, moving crap around, troubleshooting and not actually manking any music because I have too much gear (chronic sufferer of G.A.S. - gear aquisition syndrome).
I sat down and calculatd that I have 22k worth of crap with about 10% of it being used on the average. I personally cannot often tell the difference between a track made with a hardware synth or it's software counterpart. Perhaps I'm still a n00b but when I listen to an increasing number of productions that come out from producers that use soft synths and sound quality, I have to sit and wonder how much actual difference owning the hardware actually makes?
Sure it's great to have tangible piece of gear you can play with but I think that for sheer point of translating idea into sound, you can't beat flexibilty and comfort of doing something within computer realm. I cannot even begin to tell you of all the various nightmare scenarios I've been through over the years of dealing with MIDI routing, signal routing, patching, etc. Some love it and some are turned off by it.
If you look at artists like DJ Shah, Airbase, Yahel, Sander van Doorn, and act like Prodigy - they get their work done in software realm and achieve substantial success. Liam Howlett of prodigy did an interview in some mag a while ago, bemoaning the downsides of owning gear and how he stripped down to software only to produce an entire album, using hardware very sparsely only to master and add some finishing touches to the already completed work.
I am personally finding myself less frustrated working on a laptop with virtual environment instead of spending an entire day figuring out where my MIDI problems come from. YMMV, of course.
This age-old debate will linger on for years, I'm sure... but if you look at something like Virus Ti, where inspite of it being a hardware synth it's prone to all the buginess of software - does it really warrant such an investment, considering how poorly executed it is?
Vintage synths is another two-sided dillema: I owned two Jupiter-8's - both were great... while they were operational. When they broke it was like taking a pet to the vet - expensive and results are not guaranteed.
Coming back to my initial statement - I'm now sitting there pondering how much of my gear do I really wanna dump?
here's my brief list:
Virus TI Polar
Virus C
2 x Oberheim Matrix 1000
Korg EX 8000 with MEX 8000 memory expander
Nord Lead 1 kbd
Nord Lead 3 rack
E-Mu PX-7 fully expanded
Roland Fantom XR
Dave Smith Instruments Evolver kbd
Yamaha AN1x
Roland MC09
Roland RS09
Roland Juno 106
Mackie HR634
ADAM P11a monitors
TC Electronic Fireworx
Line 6 echo pro
Yamaha 01v96 v2 mixer with 16ch ADAT card
Lenovo T61P laptop with Core 2 Duo 2.4 Ghz CPU, 128 MB Nvidia, 4GB RAM, 2x320GB SATA 7200 RPM drives, XP Pro, Ableton Live 7, Cubase 3, Sonar 9, various vstis
Dell XPS Gen 4 - P4 3.4GHz HT, 4GB RAM, 10K rpm Raptor SATA drive, 256 MB Radeon 850GT, XP, same software pack as above
Various MIDI and recording interfaces... |
I think I got it....wait....wait....its coming to me.....
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O yah...www.ebay.com and put them up for sale there, another producer out there might make proper use of the gear. Easy solution to your problems. |
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| MOK |
| Don't be too hasty bout slimming down. I'll bet you're in a great position to find that perfect medium since you've spent a lot of time on one side, and are about to try out the other. Give a slimmer setup a try for sure, but don't go and sell it all just yet... |
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